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[Rocketwadster]

FIXED_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $5+$1 (Real Money), Vancouver Single Table Tournament, 24 Mar 2006 10:54 AM ET Seat 1: jimboe2006 ($1,380 in chips) Seat 2: gero77 ($3,040 in chips) Seat 3: stormysqual ($2,640 in chips) Seat 5: Lerock62 ($755 in chips) Seat 7: Rocketwad0 ($1,570 in chips) Seat 8: julius2000 ($2,195 in chips) Seat 9: crazycherry ($815 in chips) Seat 10: Riihikuiva ($2,605 in chips) ANTES/BLINDSRocketwad0 posts blind ($50), julius2000 posts blind ($100).PRE-FLOPDecision #1 - crazycherry is short on chips, so UTG raise to me signals strength. I will have terrible position throughout the hand, but with broadway suited connectors, I think I have a good hand to see a flop with. Easy to get away from, plus based on how the tourney has played out so far, I am 100% positive that unless julius wakes up with aces or kings, he will not raise behind me. Please comment.crazycherry bets $200, Riihikuiva folds, jimboe2006 folds, gero77 folds, stormysqual folds, Lerock62 folds, Rocketwad0 calls $150, julius2000 calls $100.FLOP [board cards 3H,4H,8H ]Decision #2 - short of flopping a full house, one of the best possible flops I can hope for. Now, how to play it. I opt for the check-raise, figuring that crazycherry will definately bet the flop to protect his most-likely high pocket pair/Ace-King. Please comment.Rocketwad0 checks, julius2000 bets $100, crazycherry bets $200Decision #3 - I didn't expect julius to bet out, but crazycherry raised him, which I think is great, as it allows me to raise both. If crazycherry has nothing, he will definately fold to the double-bet. If he calls, he has something good, but not necessarily a flush. Please comment.Rocketwad0 bets $300, julius2000 bets $300, crazycherry calls $200, Rocketwad0 calls $100.TURN [board cards 3H,4H,8H,4C ]Decision #4 - what a terrible card, pairing the board. Its a motley group of cards out there though, so the only hands I should really fear are pocket 3's, pocket 4's and pocket 8's, from julius only (crazycherry wouldn't have raised UTG with them IMO), OR a made flush with the ace or king of hearts, which seems unlikely (especially with the king). If I am against any of those, I am drawing dead. I opt to call it down from here, even though I may be giving a cheap card to a hand with only the ace or king of hearts (not a made flush). Please comment.Rocketwad0 checks, julius2000 bets $200, crazycherry bets $215 and is all-in, Rocketwad0 calls $215, julius2000 calls $15.RIVER [board cards 3H,4H,8H,4C,7H ]Decision #5 - yet another absolutely terrible card to come. I now can't beat any of the pocket pairs I indicated earlier, or any hand that has the ace or king of hearts in it. Please comment:Rocketwad0 checks, julius2000 bets $200, Rocketwad0 folds

[Rocketwadster]

Nice post rocket. Nobody has any insight into these type sof situations at all...Simply amazing.

[gobears]

I saw the subject line - Limit SNG and my eyes glazed over...

[mk]

gobears, on Monday, March 27th, 2006, 11:05 AM, said:

I saw the subject line - Limit SNG and my eyes glazed over...

loli was really bored while playing the $55k on stars last weekend and hopped into the $11+R Limit tourney for pure comedic value. It was worth it.

[Bizzle]

Limit tournies ended for me when I missed, in order, a 21 outer, an 18 outer, and a 21 outer that were capped 3 ways on both the flop and turn by two people wickedly overplaying TPTK in a $200 tourney out at TS. After that, I just said screw it.

[Wingmaster05]

Bizzle, on Monday, March 27th, 2006, 9:36 AM, said:

Limit tournies ended for me when I missed, in order, a 21 outer, an 18 outer, and a 21 outer that were capped 3 ways on both the flop and turn by two people wickedly overplaying TPTK in a $200 tourney out at TS. After that, I just said screw it.

heh, but you still go to Turning Stone every weekend, don't cha?i know i woudlas for the handpreflop is iffy but I would do it .Flop is finebet the turn, no free cardscall river

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Easy to get away from, plus based on how the tourney has played out so far, I am 100% positive that unless julius wakes up with aces or kings, he will not raise behind me. Please comment.

He will almost always Raise TT, JJ QQ AKo AKs and maybe AQo AQs, and anything else that he is "feeling" at the time if he is that sort of donk. It doesnt matter at that point though, if he three bets and then (EDIT) cherry just calls, we are getting the odds to call and see the flop for one more sb.edit: i say call river assuming you don't know much about villain...

[shpaget]

With action from both ends on the flop you would think that cherry either has AhKh or AhAx, and Julius has 88....although I wouldn't rule out the reverse (I see too many people raising with 77 utg to rule it out, though I don't know this cherry person). Do you think Julius 3-bets pf with AhKh...or AhKx...Do you think he calls with Ahxh, or Ahx.Having said that, even with the paired board and 4 hearts, I have a hard time folding $200 to a $2400 pot....because, too often, AA or KK (no hearts) or Th9h is in this hand....but that might be why my net profit in limit hold'em over the years is about 83 cents.

[JacKingOff_suit]

Even though I don't play much lhe or lhe tourney, I will bet out on the turn. Check-calling is really kind of weak-tight and monster-under-the-bet thinkings.If I get raised on the turn then I will consider folding, but just check-calling you don't know anythng about BB's hand, he could be betting for a lower flush, a trip, whatever.

[Rocketwadster]

Even though there wasn't much interest in providing opinions on how to play in this situation on all decisions as I was hoping for, here are the results.Rocketwad0 checks, julius2000 bets $200, Rocketwad0 folds???Rocketwad0 calls $200.crazycherry shows 8c 9djulius2000 shows 3d 4s.Unbelievable. I couldn't believe this hand, at all. I'm still not sure that callig on the river is correct there, as there is nothing that i can beat IMO. I sure could have used that extra $200 chips later in the tourney. I ended up finishing in 3rd place, which was a feat in itself, but this one hurt.

[Filesharer]

Even with the terrible play, I believe limit SnGs are way less profitable than NL. They really **** me off too. I don't know why.

[iggymcfly]

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I quoted the relevant passage for reference. These things always play ridiculously, and when I saw the three paragraphs you wrote concerning your reads, I knew you were way off base. No one puts any thought into these. If they see anything half-decent, they just hammer the **** out of it. Even playing $10 and $20 limit SnGs, I've seen 4 way pots capped on every street that were won by one pair.It should be great money as the first 4 levels or so are always donkariffic. The problem is that limit SnGs, by their nature, are so damn frustrating. Hours of careful build turn into an absolute crapshoot as soon as the blinds get raised. I've found that if you want to actually take advantage of this phenomenon, your best shot is limit MTTs. You can win enough to actually make it worthwhile, and the play might be even worse. You just have to be really careful late on, as one mistake can wreck your tournament. I always get frustrated and make one mistake when the blinds get high that wrecks me.Last one I played, it was calling a raise with QJ. I finished the NL SnGs I was playing at the same time, and made the mistake of not starting any more, leaving me with plenty of time to get bored playing a limit tourney. I called a raise with QJ, flopped top pair, and lost a huge pot that crippled my chip stack when I ran into AJ and KJ.Seriously though, limit tourneys of any kind tend to feature the worst poker you'll find on the internet. They're comparable to NL rebuy tourneys in the early rounds. If you've got a wealth of patience, I'm sure there's tons of money to be made.