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[NorthPacific]

I posted this response to a thread on Middle Position problems. I was hoping for some feedback but didn't get it so I decided to post it in its own thread.I have started playing AT a little different. I used to raise from middle and late position but have started to just call. Here is my reasoning. I figure my AT is good against most aces. I also figure if I raise then AJ and AQ may just call. I figure AK will three bet. Most of the time the A9 and unders will call to. So when the ace hits on the flop, I'm not entirely sure where I am. If, on the other hand, I just call with the AT then most often the AJ and above will raise. I'll still call the raise but will be aware there could be a better ace out against me and play a little more cautiously. I there are no raisers after me and the ace flops, I feel my ace is good.

[Jtmaroon84]

Yeah, so who gave you the impression that ATo was a raise hand in middle/late position? Maybe I'm wrong but this is a limping hand, not unlike Axs (Although you limp with Axs for differant reasons).

[wrto4556]

Raise ATo from middle position.

[Jtmaroon84]

wrto4556 said:

Raise ATo from middle position.

He says it with such authority that it must be true. After skimming through Sklansky I have noticed, however, that I was indeed wrong and you should definately raise ATo from M/L Position.

[JaysonWeber]

wrto4556 said:

Raise ATo from middle position.

He says this like you play it differently than Ak or... A2? Since when did we stop raising A2 from MP, and MOST games EP?WRTO... What's going on here! RAISE RAISE RAISE CAPPPPPPPP**This post is in no way meant to be taken seriously, and should be disregarded as nonsense...but watchout for the A-2 raise EP in the next tourney!

[wrto4556]

Jtmaroon84 said:

wrto4556 said:

Raise ATo from middle position.

He says it with such authority that it must be true.

[Vapors]

Jtmaroon84 said:

wrto4556 said:

Raise ATo from middle position.

He says it with such authority that it must be true. After skimming through Sklansky I have noticed, however, that I was indeed wrong and you should definately raise ATo from M/L Position.

Is that assuming the EP players all fold? Or were you just joking? I can understand LP maybe, but not MP.

[wrto4556]

Raise ATo from middle position.Seriously. Riase it. If everyone limps to you, raise. If everyone folds to you, raise. The only time you don't raise from ATo is if a very tight/passive(AND YOU HAVE TO *KNOW* HE'S THIS TYPE) limps from UTG, then you limp...but that hardly ever happens. hardly ever.Or, if it's raised in front of you, then you fold.Otherwise, raise ATo from middle position.

[Vapors]

Ok thanks. I don't like the 10 as a kicker so I always just limped in with it and fold to a raise from a tight player. The only time I raise with it is if I am on the button or the SB and a lot of people have folded. Anyway, thanks again. I have only been playing a few months and never for real money yet over the internet. So I know I have a lot left to learn.

[ChuckSty]

use the force

[DCWildcat]

What if an ace and an overcard flop (other than AK)? How would you proceed?

[Smasharoo]

I limp with it.

[wrto4556]

Smasharoo said:

I limp with it.

Weak/tight!

[Absolute]

wrto is right on here.limping in MP with A-10 off is weak/tight.the key here is understanding the value of A10. What is absolutely key in playing A-10 is knowing that you raise it with limpers, and ALWAYS fold it to a raise when you are in MP.Getting your chips in with A-10 off to a raise is bad poker. You are losing more than 50% of the time.

[Markmadness]

I limp unless short handed. Then raise

[the_stein]

I limp 33% of the time, raise 33% of the time, and fold 33% of the time, the other 1% of the time I bitch about how much I hate ace 10

[NormanHaupt]

I raise AT from LP unless there's a series of limpers. If there's some limpers, then I'll file in behind.but if I'm EP or especially UTG I'll raise. Of course, my problem is when I completely miss a flop I haven't a clue what to do. I fall into this dangerous kind of middle ground. Deer in headlights..WHAM!