Don't Try This At Home (1/2)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Bodog 1/2 NLHE (9-handed)BB $134Cobalt $200Cobalt is MP1 w/ J T . Cobalt is playing a bit looser than normal. BB seems to be a weak player. Table is loose-passive pre-flop.Pre-flop:UTG calls, 1 fold, Cobalt calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB raises to $6.50, UTG calls, Cobalt calls, Button calls, SB callsFlop ($33): A Q 3 (5 players)SB checks, BB bets $7, 1 fold, Cobalt raises to $27, 2 folds, BB re-raises to $47, Cobalt callsTurn ($127): T (2 players)BB goes all-in for $80, Cobalt callsThere was an easy way to play this hand and a hard way. I chose the hard way.

[Footballguru 0]

Bodog 1/2 NLHE (9-handed)BB $134Cobalt $200Cobalt is MP1 w/ J T . Cobalt is playing a bit looser than normal. BB seems to be a weak player. Table is loose-passive pre-flop.Pre-flop:UTG calls, 1 fold, Cobalt calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB raises to $6.50, UTG calls, Cobalt calls, Button calls, SB callsFlop ($33): A Q 3 (5 players)SB checks, BB bets $7, 1 fold, Cobalt raises to $27, 2 folds, BB re-raises to $47, Cobalt callsTurn ($127): T (2 players)BB goes all-in for $80, Cobalt callsThere was an easy way to play this hand and a hard way. I chose the hard way.

What is your question? I personally wouldnt re raise on the flop because this type of flop obviously hit someone and I will get paid off if I make broadway anyway, and probably if I make my flush.

[Garn 0]

yep wouldn;t have raised the flop. however. i you have a lot of out on the river what do you do?

[macphec 0]

Just 3 bet push the flop. Looks like he may have AA though. Hopefully it's "only" AK.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Just 3 bet push the flop. Looks like he may have AA though. Hopefully it's "only" AK.

meh,, i vote to only call the bet. villain isnt going anywhere on the turn even if a spade hits.

[macphec 0]

meh,, i vote to only call the bet. villain isnt going anywhere on the turn even if a spade hits.

Probably true

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

meh,, i vote to only call the bet. villain isnt going anywhere on the turn even if a spade hits.

Your equity is highest on the flop. Push there. Turn call is okay, kinda rough, but, I'd prefer to get it in the flop.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Your equity is highest on the flop. Push there. Turn call is okay, kinda rough, but, I'd prefer to get it in the flop.

mmm, i'm not a fan of that style of poker, The FE isnt very high villain wil need to call 80 into a pot of 200, and he appears strong. we have 12 outs, 11 if villain holds a set. we're only getting a littl over 1:1 on our money with a draw

[CobaltBlue 662]

After villain puts in the RR, you guys realize that we've got essentially no FE and that we're an underdog, right? Villain has AK/AQ/AA/QQ. If I had to pick a hand, AQ seemed the most likely.I think this actually highlights what might be a leak in my game. I get so much in the mindset of playing aggressively (and semi-bluffing) with draws that I have a hard time sitting back and just calling even when it's really sometimes the best approach against a suspected monster.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

mmm, i'm not a fan of that style of poker, The FE isnt very high villain wil need to call 80 into a pot of 200, and he appears strong. we have 12 outs, 11 if villain holds a set. we're only getting a littl over 1:1 on our money with a draw

Right, we have 11-12 outs. Maybe 13-14 if our T is live. That's why just calling and seeing a brick on the turn is so bad. In this case, his stack, wasn't too big and it wasn't too horrible of a call on the turn. It's a basic principle--rather get it in with the same draw to see two cards then to see one. We're maybe 35% on this river and we're getting 2.5-1 on our money--that's sketchy.Get this in on the flop when we're closer to 50% to win is a much better play--especially if we intend to call anyway on a bricked turn. You say we don't have much fold equity on the flop, but at least we have some. Now, on the turn, we've got none.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Right, we have 11-12 outs. Maybe 13-14 if our T is live. That's why just calling and seeing a brick on the turn is so bad. In this case, his stack, wasn't too big and it wasn't too horrible of a call on the turn. It's a basic principle--rather get it in with the same draw to see two cards then to see one. We're maybe 35% on this river and we're getting 2.5-1 on our money--that's sketchy.Get this in on the flop when we're closer to 50% to win is a much better play--especially if we intend to call anyway on a bricked turn. You say we don't have much fold equity on the flop, but at least we have some. Now, on the turn, we've got none.

Ya but this hand is ghey and i would open fold the turn anwyays making me amazingly awesome.haha, j/k i'm tired, and i'm not feelin the forums today, kinda blah mood

[CobaltBlue 662]

Right, we have 11-12 outs. Maybe 13-14 if our T is live. It's a basic principle--rather get it in with the same draw to see two cards then to see one. We're maybe 35% on this river and we're getting 2.5-1 on our money--that's sketchy.

Eh. I actually felt sketch calling that turn bet (I don't like calling "big" bets on draws with one card to come), but I thought "gamboool" and clicked call. I knew it was close. Fortunately, it was much better than I thought. I was getting 2.5-1 while only needing 2.1-1. Guess my "subconscious" odds skills are getting better.That said, I see what you're saying about the push. I'd frequently make that push if I had an overcard along with the SFD. When confronted with the original $7 bet, what would you do in this hand?

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Meh..I probably raise preflop, though, with UTG limping I don't mind limping as well. I push the flop after he takes it to 47 bucks.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Meh..I probably raise preflop, though, with UTG limping I don't mind limping as well. I push the flop after he takes it to 47 bucks.

Right, right. You've said that. I mean when he bets out $7 on the flop. What then? Is the raise to $27 reasonable? Should it have been more? Should I have just called?

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Right, right. You've said that. I mean when he bets out $7 on the flop. What then? Is the raise to $27 reasonable? Should it have been more? Should I have just called?

Meh..I like my raises round, so I might've made it 25 or 30. But, yeah, it's fine. You can make the argument to just call, but I think that you tend to lose value from big hands like that.

[BIG_L_RIP 0]

Meh..I like my raises round, so I might've made it 25 or 30. But, yeah, it's fine. You can make the argument to just call, but I think that you tend to lose value from big hands like that.

either push flop or flat call with stacks this shallow. your raise serves no good purpose when faced with a blank turn as indicated.

[etip 0]

Right, right. You've said that. I mean when he bets out $7 on the flop. What then? Is the raise to $27 reasonable? Should it have been more? Should I have just called?

I think you made a mistake raising to $27. He obviously has a big hand, why not make it easy on yourself and take a cheap card? He will probably put you on a flush draw and bet big on the turn but like you said, why raise when he probably has AK or AQ and will either call or push?I vote for just calling the $7 and giving him a chance to price you in again on the turn. If you miss and he bets you out, oh well -- with two overcards on board, this is a rare situation where being aggressive with a flush and straight draw can cost you your stack.

either push flop or flat call with stacks this shallow. your raise serves no good purpose when faced with a blank turn as indicated.

I think he was hoping for it to go check-check on the turn with that raise. The old no limit version of the "free card" play.Again, not a good flop to make this play.Going all in isn't great either because AQ will definitely call and an AK will probably convince himself that our Hero is on a flush draw, so basically 0 fold equity, unless the BB is bluffing which can be determined on later streets anyway.Just calling the $7 is my vote - but after being re-raised tp $47, I vote for pushing.