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#1 FebreezeHead

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 09:18 PM

ok so heres the first hand of a 10$ sit n go, i got pocket 2's on the button, call, then a 2x raise, get 4 callers so i call.(first hand 800 starting chips, 10/15 blinds)flop is 257 rainbow, one near pot sized bet from player A. I just call hoping that the other guy will call as well, and he does.turn is another 5 giving me a boat, now player a comes out firing again betting about half the pot, again i just call and so does B. River is a high card (k or q) player A bets out about half his remaining chips, I reraise all in (about 450 chips) and A calls, and turns over pocket sevens, Doh!My first reaction was that this was just an unlucky hand, and that I had to assume my hand was best. After all against the weak players in this low stakes game someone might have played alot of hands i could beat in the same manner. But after thinking through it some im not entireley sure.The way that player A was betting, clearly indicated a very strong hand in my oppinion. If he was trying to steal the pot on the flop he would have surely given up on the turn after both of us called the flop bet. And the fact that he made a much smaller bet (in relation to the pot) on the turn is telling me he definitely wants calls.So in this situation exactly what percentage of the time can i expect to have the guy beat? I mean their are other hands he might have played similarly (which i beat) but theirs also pleanty that have me drawing dead. I know that this is a tournament, and its often better to "survive and thrive", taking big gambles even when they hold +ev might not be wise in a tournament since the advantage of extra chips is outweighed by the possibility of being knocked out of play.So whats your response to this type of situation? Could i have legitimately left this hand, or did i just have to let fate take its toll on this one?

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 09:28 PM

did you lie about the action pre-flop to justify your playing a 2-2 to a raise? :-) also if you were on the button how was someone behind you?if you want good advice in this forum, give the facts amigo. don't sugar coat it so your play won't sound so bad.

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 09:28 PM

by the way, 2-2 is a bad hand.

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 09:45 PM

im sorry it wasnt a 2x raise it was 4x, but i only called the bb originally (before the raise on the button) and 3 others allready called the raiser before it got to me. This type of play is a regular occurence on the early hands of the sit n go game i play, more often than not most of the players will not hold a premium hand. Also, play is regularly extremely aggressive postflop early on. Their are usually a couple wackos that try and steal every pot with huge overbets, they usually get knocked out within the first 20 hands. This means my low pocket pair has tons of implied value if i hit trips since its likely i can get all my chips in the pot.If i dont hit the trips its a really easy lay down, so i will rarely loose a big a pot.That is to my best recollection exactly the preflop events that unfolded.

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 03:45 AM

If set over set happens on the first hand of a sit & go I'm going to bust every time. You'd have no chance to get a feel for your opponent and at the $5-$20 levels there are a ton of maniacs. 8 or 9 times out of ten you'll have the best hand. If it happens that you bust at least you won't have wasted a lot of time only to finish on the bubble.

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 06:34 AM

I wouldn't play 22 early on in a tourney. I wouldn't even limp let alone call a re raise. But the way things turned out was just one of those things. I would have been tough to fold a boat on that hand. I tihnk what happened was inevitable. The guy made a bigger hand and as Doyle said "I guess you just have to pay the man". Not a fan of your pre flop play though.




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