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[antistuff]

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [Jc], [Kc].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 5 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) [4s], [6c], [Ts] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) [9c] (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) [Qs] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Also, river, I really dont want to get threebet by a flush, I figured go for overcall.

[PoppinFresh]

Flop peel is goot.

I would rather raise the river than go for the overcall

[spikymarv99]

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [Jc], [Kc].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 5 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) [4s], [6c], [Ts] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) [9c] (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) [Qs] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Also, river, I really dont want to get threebet by a flush, I figured go for overcall.

Preflop: KJs is iffey. If your playing it UTG bring it in for a raise. That's how I approach play from early position, either raise or fold.

Flop: I'm not a fan of KJ, but peeling is fine.

Turn: You have to call. You might think about raising here. Lets count your outs. 9 clubs, 3 (clean) Q= 12 outs . Raising would not be bad here. Depending on what hit the river, you could lead.

River: Calling is fine. Some may want to go for a value raise, but can you release if 3-bet. If not, then calling is correct.

[rog]

Loose peel? Let's see...7:1 immediate. Implied odds likely 13:1 or so. Closing the action. Peel is good.

[Pancake407]

Preflop: KJs is iffey. If your playing it UTG bring it in for a raise. That's how I approach play from early position, either raise or fold.

I limp KJs here all day long. I wouldn't raise it UTG though, any hand that gives us action has us beat.

River: I usually raise this river, but after thinking about it, I think it's better to call. You could get some top pair overcalls, two pair overcalls, etc. Plus, you don't have to worry about being 3-bet. Lose less when behind, and win more when ahead it seems.

nh.

[Actuary]

the entire hand is perfect.

your relative and absolute positions make the flop peel correct.

[Zach6668]

I think preflop is interesting here.

I love suited broadways, I tend to raise them, more often from MP or LP, limping in EP is pretty ok too.

- Zach

[Actuary]

I think preflop is interesting here.

- Zach

me to.

For example if solid/tight players behind me that play aggressive pre/post flop and don't lag it up, I'd raise here.
If poor post flop / very loose passive preflop players yet to act, I'd raise
If SLAP's yet to play, I'd limp for multiway.

what am I saying?

I want to play this multiway if it's going to be mulitple bets preflop.
I want to play against bad players for any number of bets preflop as long as its at least 4 bad players.
I want to encourage solid players to not come in with ther AJ/AQ/KQ/KJ here.

thats all I meant.

[Pancake407]

Under what table conditions do you toss suited broadways UTG?

[Actuary]

Under what table conditions do you toss suited broadways UTG?

the kind I leave.

[spikymarv99]

I limp KJs here all day long. I wouldn't raise it UTG though, any hand that gives us action has us beat.

River: I usually raise this river, but after thinking about it, I think it's better to call. You could get some top pair overcalls, two pair overcalls, etc. Plus, you don't have to worry about being 3-bet. Lose less when behind, and win more when ahead it seems.

nh.

Do you all a bet pre-flop? Obviously yes. If there is a K on the flop, do you play off? K-J makes too many expensive second best, maybe even third best hands. How are your results with that hand on PokerTracker? Alot of people seem to be advocating playing this hand early without raising, maybe I'm under valuing this hand.

[Actuary]

Do you all a bet pre-flop? Obviously yes. If there is a K on the flop, do you play off? K-J makes too many expensive second best, maybe even third best hands. How are your results with that hand on PokerTracker? Alot of people seem to be advocating playing this hand early without raising, maybe I'm under valuing this hand.

I only have 15 hands with KJs in early pos out of my 12k hands at 2/4 on this database


I'm 100% VPiP and 40% pfr%.

1.27 BB/hand, so thats nice.

60% win%

[Canada]

Any thoughts on a flop raise?

[Actuary]

Any thoughts on a flop raise?

yeah, I don't like it.

[tylerc]

god, i always raise here but feel weird about it. in general i hate limping in ep, but i dont really play 2/4, so these stakes might be loose/passive enough for something like this. why dont you raise actuary? do you want more callers with a hand like this, and dont really mind if someone raises behind you? now that i think about it you also can be pretty sure that youre ahead on a k or j high raggish flop if there hasnt been a raise behind you, so maybe the extra info is worth the extra callers in this case. also what about kqs in ep? do you raise then?

[Actuary]

god, i always raise here but feel weird about it. in general i hate limping in ep, but i dont really play 2/4, so these stakes might be loose/passive enough for something like this. why dont you raise actuary? do you want more callers with a hand like this, and dont really mind if someone raises behind you? now that i think about it you also can be pretty sure that youre ahead on a k or j high raggish flop if there hasnt been a raise behind you, so maybe the extra info is worth the extra callers in this case. also what about kqs in ep? do you raise then?

I do raise sometimes

"I'm 100% VPiP and 40% pfr%."
This includes all hands not-blind with KJs 5-7 off the button
I'm more likely to raise in tight games and limp in loose ones.
If really loose and weak post flop, I would raise.
What I don't want is to be 3 way against a 3-betting TAG.
Sometimes that happens, since you make plays based on best guess.

I play a more passive post flop style, so I'm comfortable c/c or c/r flops and looknig at the odds to continue in multiway pots. I'm less comfortable taking pots away when I miss the flop. I'm getting a little better with this, as PP 2/4 tightens up and multi-way is less likely.

KQs, I raise 95-100% first in.
so, yeah, K7-KQs is a transitional area where I go from limp/raise/steal/fold depending on position and table texture

[Pancake407]

If you raise this in EP, IMO your only going to get action when you are most-likely dominated, and OOP. I prefer a limp to encourage multi-way action with suited broadway.

[Actuary]

If you raise this in EP, IMO your only going to get action when you are most-likely dominated, and OOP. I prefer a limp to encourage multi-way action with suited broadway.

you play in the wrong games.
lots of worse hands call.

I just want more of them in sometimes, so I limp.

[Pancake407]

I know, im too lazy to find real loose games, I dont handicap, unless the table is full of complete rocks. I just adapt to whatever table im at. I really need to stop being so lazy lol.

[tylerc]

i think kjs in ep is probably one of my most hated situations. youre right that the action you get is probably going to only be against hands that have you crushed if you are playing against a table of all tags, but against a table where there is some poor cold calling and very little three betting i still like the raise. you want the better players to be folding their med pocket pairs and off suit good aces, while getting the table narrowed down to the cold callers and the blinds. if it gets heads up to someone who three bet you then it sucks, but if youre at a 2/4 table where three betting is common you should be planning to leave. pancake, do you raise if you are first in if you are in mp? im curious to hear your reasons either way?

you play in the wrong games.
lots of worse hands call.

I just want more of them in sometimes, so I limp.

crap, you are too damn fast and it looks like im just copying your responses