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[KDawgCometh]

This hand is from the same session as the previous two, so yada yada I had been pretty aggressive PF when entering a pot. UTG+1 was kinda loose and the PF raise did make me perplexed, so I wanted to threebet to see if he caps it, that way I should know what I'm up against. Since he didn't cap it I felt I might be in a coinflip. I got fancy on the turn trying to trap him on the river because I thoiought 1010, JJ, or 99 were very possible. This is one of the few times I want to post the results as I feel this was a hand of FPSParty Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [Qh], [As]. 1 fold.Flop: (7 SB) [7d], [6h], [3s] (3 players)Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.Turn: (5 BB) [Qs] (3 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks.River: (5 BB) [2h] (3 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 13 BBResults in white below: Hero has Qh As (one pair, queens). UTG+1 has Ac Ad (one pair, aces). Outcome: UTG+1 wins 13 BB.

[wrto4556]

Betting the flop was a bad idea. Why would you do that?The river 3-bet was bad, too. :?

[NormanHaupt]

He showed no aggression with the AA after the flop, really. I would've played it the same exact way.Not that I'm right, but I sympathize

[KDawgCometh]

I'm not asking for sympathy, but I'll take it, lol. I knew I played it like crap and really i should've folded PF from the raiser UTG+1. As much constructive criticism as possible, no flaming anybody cause at least I have the stones to be criticzed for playing a hand bad, I'm refering to one person and they'll know it if they read it

[Scruff]

I don't know, low limit online game. I'd probably 3-bet it preflop (you said he was pretty loose) to see if he caps there. Then you have a decent idea of what you are up against (very few non-obvious maniacs will cap preflop without AA-QQ or AK). You also trap the guy that called two cold for two more, maybe you get rid of him and get it heads up.It only costs 1 or 2 small bets. I'm sure UTG+1 caps there. At that point you could have gotten away from it by check/folding after that flop, or maybe you get a free look at the turn. Or you play it the exact same way (no way I check the turn though), without the re-raise on the river (since you have a much better idea of where you stand due to the pre-flop action).As I alluded to in the last paragraph, I think you have to bet the turn there as well once you catch. If someone was slowplaying a 7 (extremely doubtful if you re-raised preflop, especially if third guy folds out pre-flop) there is where you find out where you stand.Not piling on, you know you probably botched it, but in case I was confusing above:3-bet the flopbet the turndon't re-raise on the end

[Scruff]

I would add that with the 3rd player involved, the 3-bet preflop turns out to be a value bet actually, if the 3rd players doesn't fold. It's win-win.

[Smasharoo]

Bet the turn.Nothing's worse than two people with string hands letting it get checked around on the turn.The river three-bet's pretty horrible here.Betting the flop is fine, IF YOU BET THE TURN REGARDESS OF WHAT COMES, but especially when you hit TPTK.The idea of betting the flop is to set up a turn bet to fold AK a good deal of the time if an ace 0r an obious scare card doesn't hit the turn.He played this horribly but was saved by you overplaying the river.

[jayboogie]

betting the flop was fine, you 3-bet pre-flop, so you need to continue with your aggression. I'm not sure why you wouldn't bet the turn when you hit, you gave somebody a free card to possibly hit KX on you. AA played the hand terrible, but I guess you really only lost 1 extra big bet, considering you should have bet the turn, shoulda been raised, called and smooth called the river, so it didn't end up that terrible. 3 betting the river is terrible though, Not sure who would raise on the river when they can't beat AQ.

[wrto4556]

jayboogie said:

betting the flop was fine, you 3-bet pre-flop, so you need to continue with your aggression.  .

He only called.

[JaysonWeber]

Should have capped betting pre-flop to get an idea what you were up against...

[jayboogie]

wrto4556 said:

jayboogie said:

betting the flop was fine, you 3-bet pre-flop, so you need to continue with your aggression.  .

He only called.

Ok, he should have 3 bet then I should say pre-flop. Then fire out on the flop when it comes out rags and BET the turn when you hit TPTK. He played the hand bad, but AA played it terrible giving free cards to crack his Aces. No aggression shown cept on the river, which was real weird. Some plays just make no sense I guess.

[Absolute]

There's nothing wrong with only calling a UTG raise pre-flop in the SB with AQ off.

[jayboogie]

Absolute said:

There's nothing wrong with only calling a UTG raise pre-flop in the SB with AQ off.

I think it's situational, calling would be fine as well, but depending on the players if I think my AQ is the best hand, I will 3 bet. If it's against a rock who will only raise with premium hands, then calling would be better. Most of the time I'll 3 bet with AQ unless the raiser is a rock in which case, I'd just call. Judging from AA's play, he's not a really good player, so I would have probably 3 bet.