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#1 padrefan98

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 11:56 AM

After a bad night of losing some pretty big pots when holding monster pairs AA KK and QQ. I started asking myseld should I have folded them Pre-flop? I was playing a limit $4-$8, and fealt most of my opponnents were decent players and have had experience with them before. Im curious if anyone can think of a situation in which you would fold your monster pair in a limit game (position, or otherwise)? I would also like to hear from those who play No limit, if you can describe a scenerio or if you have done this? I know it must be near impossible to throw away AA, but were do you draw the line? Is it JJ that, after a 3 bet capped preflop that you lay down your pocket pairs? Thanks for your reply, I am really intrigued by someone who could ligitimately explain a KK lay down pre-flop. [/b]

#2 wrto4556

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 11:59 AM

Never fold AA-QQ pre-flop. Even if it's capped when it gets to you.JJ and TT I fold to a 3-bet.
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#3 Alcatraz

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 02:39 PM

David Chiu laid down KK preflop in the first tourney of champions. His opponent showed AA.In a tournament a few nights ago I nearly laid down QQ. I should have, as it turned out, I was up against KK.

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 02:47 PM

You can lay down QQ and KK in a No-Limit Game or tourney with the right read.You should NEVER as wrto says, NEVER fold AA-QQ in a limit game.

#5 Schneider

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 02:01 AM

If you're facing a 4 bet in a table full of rocks QQ is an easy lay down.

#6 JaysonWeber

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 02:49 AM

Schneider said:

If you're facing a 4 bet in a table full of rocks QQ is an easy lay down.
I still wouldn't, I'd the the cheap 4 bet at the beginning hoping to spike a queen...

#7 ChuckSty

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 10:37 AM

i don't think you can justify laying down kk preflop personally unless you miraculously or non-miracoulously maybe have some kind of ultra-read on your opponent and know he's got the bulletts. that's just me though

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 10:43 AM

about the tournament of champions post, were talking limit here. i can see throwing them away in no-limit for various reasons. but in limit, no way in hell. the tournament of champions is no limit right?

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 12:25 PM

Schneider said:

If you're facing a 4 bet in a table full of rocks QQ is an easy lay down.
Your implied odds for when your set hits is way too high to lay it down PF in limit, its a bad fold, take a flop
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Posted 01 March 2005 - 02:29 PM

Schneider said:

If you're facing a 4 bet in a table full of rocks QQ is an easy lay down.
yeah, cause you know you gonna find a table of rocks evry dayyou cant fold AA, KK, QQ pre-flop in limit




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