1/2 - Kq In Mp2

[thecamelot 0]

No real stats on anyone yet, first orbit at table...Firstly, preflop thoughts? What do you do on the flop, and what's your line for later if any?Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP2 with [Ks], [Qh]. UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) [Js], [4d], [5d] (4 players)BB checks, UTG bets, Hero ???

[Actuary 3]

easy fold preflop, not that I always do it..but with no read UTG raiseing, foldflop, fold. fodl >>> raise >>>>>>>> call

[thecamelot 0]

KQ off is one hand i cold call with a lot... Probably a big mistake.Anyways, pre-flop aside, any merit in continuing on the flop?

[Actuary 3]

flop, fold. fold >>> raise >>>>>>>> call

what he said

[thecamelot 0]

oops, my mistake... i read that as fold fold fold in regards to preflop action.

[Zach6668 513]

oops, my mistake... i read that as fold fold fold in regards to preflop action.

He means fold preflop. And the flop is exactly why. Sure, we have two overs, but with a PFR, they could both be dirty. We can't continue. AK, AQ have us crushed, KJ, QJ (unlikely) have us reverse dominated. Just fold, find a better spot.- ZachPS - Fold Preflop. KQs is closer, and depends on how many others are in the pot, but always fold KQo to a raise.

[thecamelot 0]

Yea, I see the preflop fold, but Actuarys first post also mentioned folding the flop.You *always* fold KQ to a raise? There has to be some game conditions where it is okay to play it.

[devilsslide 0]

I'm not really qualified to know what to do here pf, but I'd tend to call.It's probably weak, but I fold this flop (two overcards +bdsd for only 4.5 ish outs, player left to act behind you, etc).<<reading replies>>My trusted SSHE says to call pf. I'm assuming then that 1/2 party plays a lot tighter than 3-5 players on average to the flop, in which case it would be a fold.

[Actuary 3]

My trusted SSHE says to call pf.

not vs a raiser it doesn't

[devilsslide 0]

not vs a raiser it doesn't

You're right... it says to call with KQs, not KQ

[doubleatrain 0]

I'm not sure how, but somehow I fold both preflop AND on the flop. But yeah, I don't want to play KQ against a raise preflop, especially without a read and the raise coming from EP. The positional advantage doesn't make up for what could very likely be a large gap in equity, with him on the positive end.