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[Theraflu]

my first time playing 2/5 at foxwoods, its a game i wanted to try but dont have the bankroll for it. won $1300 at the 1/2 table so i figured i see how the game played.

After about an hour and a half, following hand comes up:
Chip stacks:
BB: about $400
Hero: $370
LP: 2: uimportant
Button: unimportant

big blind is a competent player, ive seen him show a queen high all in bluff, but also value bet the pure nuts. he'll defend preflop, and make plays postflop.

i get AQ hearts UTG, raise to $15
button calls, LP folds, and big blind calls. Pots $62

flop: Qd 7h 6h

one of the better flops im looking for, with TPTK and nut draw. big blind checks, i bet $30, button folds, and big blind checkraises me to $100.

I immediately put him on 2 pair, he would probably call preflop with any 6-7 and q-6 suited or q-7 suited. Regardless i feel i have to make the call. Pots up to $265 or so.

Turn: 10s

turns a blank, big blind bets $125.
i got about $215 in front of me.
hero ???

[RhinestoneCowboy]

my first time playing 2/5 at foxwoods, its a game i wanted to try but dont have the bankroll for it. won $1300 at the 1/2 table so i figured i see how the game played.

After about an hour and a half, following hand comes up:
Chip stacks:
BB: about $400
Hero: $370
LP: 2: uimportant
Button: unimportant

big blind is a competent player, ive seen him show a queen high all in bluff, but also value bet the pure nuts. he'll defend preflop, and make plays postflop.

i get AQ hearts UTG, raise to $15
button calls, LP folds, and big blind calls. Pots $62

flop: Qd 7h 6h

one of the better flops im looking for, with TPTK and nut draw. big blind checks, i bet $30, button folds, and big blind checkraises me to $100.

I immediately put him on 2 pair, he would probably call preflop with any 6-7 and q-6 suited or q-7 suited. Regardless i feel i have to make the call. Pots up to $265 or so.

Turn: 10s

turns a blank, big blind bets $125.
i got about $215 in front of me.
hero ???

If you put him on 2 pair, you now have 14 outs at the river (16 if he has 6-7). You are only getting 3 to 1 on your 3.5 to 1 call...

However could he make this play with AQ as well? Maybe you have a free shot at scooping with a guaranteed chop.

The other possibility would be 89s, but without a read on the player I have no idea.

Personally, I have a tough time putting the guy on 2 pair with Q6 or Q7, and maybe he's making a move at the pot. I push knowing that I have outs even if he's got a set.

[Limit Player]

I would have pushed on the flop to make this an easier decision for us.

[Chief]

If you put him on 2 pair, you now have 14 outs at the river (16 if he has 6-7). You are only getting 3 to 1 on your 3.5 to 1 call...

However could he make this play with AQ as well? Maybe you have a free shot at scooping with a guaranteed chop.

The other possibility would be 89s, but without a read on the player I have no idea.

Personally, I have a tough time putting the guy on 2 pair with Q6 or Q7, and maybe he's making a move at the pot. I push knowing that I have outs even if he's got a set.

the very real possibility that hero is winning on the turn, in addition to the stack sizes, makes this is a clear push

if you think your chances of being ahead are quite small, you can call this bet i guess, and check call the river, there isnt really any differnce though from moving in at this point. bb has announced he is going to call your push -- he's getting great odds here, and his hand range in this spot probably includes some hands you beat

[Theraflu]

I would have pushed on the flop to make this an easier decision for us.

Hmm i do like that, i was hoping for the heart to fall to make my decision for me.

[Garn]

yeah i would have reraised the flop all-in

[Theraflu]

i ended up pushing on the turn, and he turned over q7 spades for the 2 pair, and i missed my 14 outs, and lost the $800 pot.

i really just had that feeling that he had 2 pair as soon as he checkraised me, since he was only betting into the pots that he originally took the lead in, and he purposely tried to take me off my hand. Still didn't think i could fold with so many outs, although just calling the bet and saving the $90 if i missed the river was a weak possibility, it seems like pushing the flop just to get max value for the hand, plus possibly fold equity would be the right play.

overall, i learned that the 2/5 table is much more suited to how i play and that i can definately hang in the game, although i dont have the bankroll for it so i'll most likely be sticking around in the 1/2 luckfest. playing postflop with some skill is so much more rewarding though

[David_Nicoson]

my first time playing 2/5 at foxwoods, its a game i wanted to try but dont have the bankroll for it. won $1300 at the 1/2 table so i figured i see how the game played.

After about an hour and a half, following hand comes up:
Chip stacks:
BB: about $400
Hero: $370
LP: 2: uimportant
Button: unimportant

big blind is a competent player, ive seen him show a queen high all in bluff, but also value bet the pure nuts. he'll defend preflop, and make plays postflop.

i get AQ hearts UTG, raise to $15
button calls, LP folds, and big blind calls. Pots $62

flop: Qd 7h 6h

one of the better flops im looking for, with TPTK and nut draw. big blind checks, i bet $30, button folds, and big blind checkraises me to $100.

Experienced chips that know me well would leap into the pot on their own at this point, rather like an old horse going home on a well-worn path.

[Theraflu]

Experienced chips that know me well would leap into the pot on their own at this point, rather like an old horse going home on a well-worn path.

??? i dont get it. im a young stud, but i dont get your tired horse analogy.

[David_Nicoson]

??? i dont get it. im a young stud, but i dont get your tired horse analogy.

He's not tired; he's old. He knows where to go without my telling him. Like my chips here.

[Theraflu]

so i push on the flop?

i agreed with this a few posts ago. but ok.

[Jdr999]

so i push on the flop?

i agreed with this a few posts ago. but ok.

I would.

You might get some hands to fold, and you have a lot of outs, unless they have a set.

On the turn, why go all-in when you going to get called? I would call the turn because you are in position, and the other player might put you all-in on the river regardless of what the last card is. And if you think you are beat and don't improve, you can fold and save $90.

[Chief]

On the turn, why go all-in when you going to get called? I would call the turn because you are in position, and the other player might put you all-in on the river regardless of what the last card is. And if you think you are beat and don't improve, you can fold and save $90.

if you call on the turn you should not fold any river

[DonkSlayer]

I like how you talk about the 2/5 table being less of a luckfest, when somebody calls a UTG raise with Q-7 soooooted. You were cold-decked like a mofo here.

[GABMAD]

Push on the flop.

[No_Neck]

yeah i would have reraised the flop all-in

i agree

[AshleyC]

Definitely push on the flop. I think that you may have hesitated tp push due to the fact that you were playing higher than your usual game. This shows how you need to be fully bankrolled for the game you're playing in. The stakes shouldn't effect the 'right' play. You should have no qualms about getting your money in with 14 outs (if he has you beat) and putting the decision on your opponent for all HIS chips. You may have fewer than 14 outs if he has 2 pair as some outs may make him a full house though.

[srblan]

Pair+flush draw hands are among my favorite NL hands to play aggressively, since even if you are behind you have a ton of outs (plus, if/when you outdraw, you will win a big one because you've taken out your opponent's ability to make a laydown). Shove it in and curse your bad luck when you miss.

[The Bwaves]

In all seriousness, fold AQ pre-flop!

I hate that hand.

(sw)

[HurricaneKyle]

I agree with pushing the flop in this hand. You have the nut draw and TP/TK. The hand is very strong, and even you are slightly behind you must gamble here with all your chips on the flop.