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#1 DonkSlayer

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Posted 01 March 2006 - 08:18 AM

.25/.50c NL on Party Poker

Hero is LP with AsJs Stacks involved all around $50.

Table folds to MP, who minraises. Hero calls minraise, bb calls.

Flop: 2s 9s Jh BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: 7h BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls, MP calls.

River: 3h. BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $15.



Would like comments on on post-flop play and river bet by hero, thanks.
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Wednesday, March 1st, 2006, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.25/.50c NL on Party Poker

Hero is LP with AsJs Stacks involved all around $50.

Table folds to MP, who minraises. Hero calls minraise, bb calls.

Flop: 2s 9s Jh BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: 7h BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls, MP calls.

River: 3h. BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $15.
Would like comments on on post-flop play and river bet by hero, thanks.


Your post-flop bet is around the size of the pot which isn't a bad bet but concidering that you have two opponents you probably want to isolate to heads up that way you don't have to try and beat two hand with the nut draw and TPTK. I would have bet about $5.00, that may seem a little high for the pot but you need to get one if not both to drop out with just one pair.

You didn't improve by the river so your working with TPTK. Your bet to me seems like a value bet and I would probably call it with nothing less than two pair, but that's me. I think the river bet is irrelavent due to the fact that if you bet $15 the losing hands will fold and the winning hand will call or raise you.

The way they check call the whole way sounds like small or medium PP, if I had to guess it would be tens and eights. Or a jack with a weaker kicker.

You played the hand well, you bet what you thought was the best hand, not to mention a great draw. Next time I probably would play it out like this:

Hero is LP with AsJs Stacks involved all around $50.

Table folds to MP, who minraises. Hero re-raises to 2.50, bb folds, MP calls.

Flop: 2s 9s Jh MP checks, Hero bets $5, MP folds.

Hero wins pot.

Or we would hope.

Edit: Minimum raises at low limits usually means KK's or AA's just what I've experienced.
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 10:07 PM

Weak play, but I'm checking the river.

Anything that calls you has you beaten, and you'd
really hate to see a check/raise.

I take the free showdown.

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Posted 01 March 2006 - 11:56 PM

QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, March 2nd, 2006, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Weak play, but I'm checking the river.

Anything that calls you has you beaten, and you'd
really hate to see a check/raise.

I take the free showdown.


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Posted 02 March 2006 - 04:23 AM

If you arent scared of them acting back at you as a bluff, i'd make the bet smaller.

Had this been heads up the whole way, the big bet at the end is good because you'll get calls from weak hands expecting you're bluffing. The multiway aspect of it will make people less suspicious, i think. They will also have trouble calling a large bet with a weaker jack (or less) with another guy left to act.

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Wednesday, March 1st, 2006, 8:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.25/.50c NL on Party Poker

Hero is LP with AsJs Stacks involved all around $50.

Table folds to MP, who minraises. Hero calls minraise, bb calls.

Flop: 2s 9s Jh BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: 7h BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls, MP calls.

River: 3h. BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $15.
Would like comments on on post-flop play and river bet by hero, thanks.


I understand not raising pre-flop. Your hand isn't all that strong and those min-raises are sometimes players getting real cute. The river bet is dangerous and I probably wouldn't make it more times than I would. That being said, I've heard of people at PP making very silly calls at the end so what the hell.. How'd it turn out?

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Wednesday, March 1st, 2006, 8:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.25/.50c NL on Party Poker

Hero is LP with AsJs Stacks involved all around $50.

Table folds to MP, who minraises. Hero calls minraise, bb calls.

Flop: 2s 9s Jh BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: 7h BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls, MP calls.

River: 3h. BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $15.
Would like comments on on post-flop play and river bet by hero, thanks.


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MP's minraise is stupid and I highly doubt it's much of anything. It's .25/.50 NL table and I've rarely seen FPS with high pocket pairs pre-flop. They love raising it up with those. I'm also not keen on your smooth call. Let's knock BB out and get it HU with MP, who's already acted weak. Maybe knock it up to $2.
Nice flop for you and I don't mind the slight overbet. Top pair with with nut draw. By the turn the only thing ahead of you are overpairs, sets, and one straight if they're holding the 10-8. No one showed agression in front so I'd still bet out. If checkraised I may call depending on the bet just to see the river. As the river came out, you have to bet it.
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 02:27 PM

I would've reraised preflop.

Otherwise, I would've made practically the same bets all the way through, except I would make the river bet read dependent. There aren't a lot of hands that call you here in a multiway pot that you can beat. I'd probably still value bet here if the opponents had shown that they could call down all the way with top pair good kicker or pocket underpair. Tight players would fold to your bet here. Against tricky players you risk getting outplayed. Without any reads though, given the limits being played and it being Party, I'd probably make the value bet at the river.

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 02:46 PM

There's 2 likely draws:

10 8
and the flush draw.

One of these clowns has the open-ended, one has either the weak jack or the flush draw.

I don't like the size of your river bet. The above being said, there's only value out of 1 player and there's lots of ways they can have the better hand. I think you overbet it.
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 09:04 PM

I like the play on the flop, I might have bet more but your play is fine there. I'm always pleased when opponents fold when the flop comes Jack high and I have AJ in a raised pot. Its not an easy hand to play, but with the flush draw you don't mind them giving you action.

The turn bet is pretty good as well. With both of them calling that, I would suspect someone probably has a weaker jack, and perhaps a medium pair is out there as well. I don't think the nuts are out there, because not betting out or check-raising has not led to more money in the pot and they both had a chance to do that and did not.

On the river, If we get checkraised we are in bad shape here. Keep in mind that there are two other players and not only do they have to be worried about the powerhouse you've represented but also about what each other has. And again the 15 dollar bet is going to drive away hands that can call a smaller bet. I bet about the same amount as I did on the turn. If one of them has the weaker jack, he is then going to call for certain and the medium pair(we presume) will also be getting pretty good odds to call.
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