Actuary 3 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 no reads except MP plays a lot.Still new, GT+ not up.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [Qd], [Qh]. 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB calls.Flop: (6.50 SB) [4s], [Td], [Js] (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.Turn: (7.75 BB) [5d] (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.River: (10.75 BB) [7c] (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, BB calls, Hero folds.Final Pot: 15.75 BBYou got a problem? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 It sucks, but 15-1, I don't fold the river.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmaster05 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 no reads except MP plays a lot.Still new.both of those. A, i think ive folded getting between 13/18-1 twice and got schooled, it blew.Secondly, your still new at the table, you defnitelly dont want the table to know you can jam the pot, only to fold for one more on a massive river. This could be devasting for your session. Link to post Share on other sites
doubleatrain 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I have to say I'd probably call that river. Closing the action getting 15:1. Yeah, overcalling there doesn't make me feel too great...especially when someone raises that river...but the pot is too big for me to not call one more when I know I can't be forced to put in more bets after that.My optimistic side hopes one has KJ and the other AJ, playing cautiously so as to make sure that no overcards come and a flush doesn't hit...my "I hate the world" side thinks one has a set of 7s and the other a jack high straight. Still, I can't fold there. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 With no reads I make the overcall.You only have to be right a small percentage of the time (with an overpair on a non-flush board - no less) and it's good from a metagame standpoint so people don't start giving you fits by bluff-raising most rivers against you. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I think I can fold this river. Yeah yeah...big pot etc. BB is cold-calling. You have the worst overpair. I cant see how you're good even 1/15 if these guys aren't idiots. It might be a mistake, but I sometimes C/C this river. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Given how you and BB played then hand, villian can beat top pair. I don't think he misclicks/spazzes out 1/16 times, so a fold is good. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I think it's important to recognize that it's rare that BB has your hand beat.Usually the cold caller tips you off that you're f'ed. But for how he played the hand, he's not a big factor. The 8 is not likely at all to improve him, and you have to expect him to push harder with two pair or better on the flop. He most likely has TPGK. 16:1 on the river with an overpair against unknowns on a safe board, and you have good reason to believe you're ahead of the cold caller.I call for sure.He might not spazz out/misclick 1/16 times, but the spazz factor coupled with the slow playing TPTK factor adds up to far more than that. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 BB called getting <7:1 too,So he has to be a retard as well.I see sets slow down to flop raises, no lie.BB could have JT here, sometimes.You know I hated folding and my heart would not have let me, if I was the only caller. The info alone would "make" me call. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 BB called getting <7:1 too,So he has to be a retard as well.I see sets slow down to flop raises, no lie.BB could have JT here, sometimes.You know I hated folding and my heart would not have let me, if I was the only caller. The info alone would "make" me call.I'm less likely to call when I shouldn't if someone else has already called, so I can see that I made the right decision when they show... or toss my computer out the window... Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 Given how you and BB played then hand, villian can beat top pair.that is key to me. And I am just better than top pair. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I think this is AJ at least some of the time.I can imagine how brilliant he would feel when BB flips up KJ and he opens up his AJ to take down a monster pot. He'd somehow manage to value bet and bluff all in the same bet. Link to post Share on other sites
rwood 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 played fineyou DEF. want to see a showdown hereyou dont want people bluff raising rivers, 1you will get valuable info i e he raised you on the end after flopping 2 pair, or he raised you on the flop with draw that got there on the riverit's up to you if you bet for value, or just check/call, either way, you have to see showdown there, being new without reads. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 played fineyou DEF. want to see a showdown hereyou dont want people bluff raising rivers, 1you will get valuable info i e he raised you on the end after flopping 2 pair, or he raised you on the flop with draw that got there on the riverit's up to you if you bet for value, or just check/call, either way, you have to see showdown there, being new without reads.so I played it fine because I get to see the showdown, or are you saying I should have called?I think you mean my fold was ok, but I"m not sure. Link to post Share on other sites
Valetdetrefla 0 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 never fold here, they might put you on AK Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 never fold here, they might put you on AKboth of them?your prolific for a new guy. ;)welcome. Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 never fold here, they might put you on AKYSAPKY Link to post Share on other sites
Valetdetrefla 0 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 YSAPKY....and you play 5/10? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 never fold here, they might put you on AKLOLAnythings possible I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Valetdetrefla 0 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 LOLAnythings possible I guess.You fold QQ to a river raise on a j high board in a three-way raised pot when 98 gets there? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 he could be slowplaying a set as well.but yeah, your guess is good. Link to post Share on other sites
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