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[Actuary]

like 5th hand or soParty Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Actuary is UTG+1 with [7s], [7d]. UTG calls, Actuary calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, Actuary calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (13 SB) [7h], [8d], [Td] (6 players)SB bets, UTG calls, Actuary raises, MP1 folds, MP3 3-bets, CO caps, SB calls, UTG folds, Actuary calls, MP3 calls.Turn: (15 BB) [Jh] (4 players)SB checks, Actuary checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, SB calls, Actuary calls, MP3 folds.River: (18 BB) [5c] (3 players)SB checks, Actuary checks, CO bets, SB calls, Actuary calls.Final Pot: 21 BBAfter SB (the most like person with a 9) c/c the turn I think a c/r is good there.Since I didn't, I think a river bet is better than a c/c.I was tireed tonight and have lots of work to do this weekend.Also just played a NL SnG, so brain not so good.or, does CO have TT/99 often enough to slow down... uh...I really didin't jsut write that. Damn the board just looked so scary.c/r turn?But I have to call a 3 bet there.Then c/c river if 3-bet; otherwise, bet/call river?

[Zach6668]

Ok... lets look at this.CO - range after flop action - 99-AA, with weighting being heavier on the higher pair side, and TT. Since no reads, I will just assume he is a normal 2/4 player, and say he's not capping 99 on this board, but will easily cap AA, KK, QQ, sometimes JJ, and usually TT, unless he is a retard slowplayer.Anyways, I think we have him beat a ton after this turn.Seeing as how SB c/c, like you said, I think a c/r is pretty good here. I think there is now a very small chance that he has a 9, and I think we are beating CO enough here.If 3-bet by CO, I'm check/calling the river. If the SB is still around, can we overcall this river? Probably, I think a 9 will raise 95% of the time on either the turn or the river.If he just calls the raise, then bet/fold the river? I'm not sure I like this because folding sucks in a pot this big. Maybe bet/call. He could be the type of retard who overplays his AA or something... I don't know... Nevermind, it would be >20-1 on the river call, so call if you are raised.I'm tired.- Zach

[Actuary]

CO may cap 99 on flop.OESD, free card play, for value, etc.after turn, I'm in trouble against 9x, 88/TT/JJ.Preflop the higher PP and AJ+ should be given more weight, but tafter he caps flop, SB leads flop and calls cap, I begin to fear SB slow playing, hoping for over calls. And you have to give a lot of weight to 88-TT now as well, at least in terms of relative to the combinations left I could even see waiting for river to raise, although I risk a check thru there.time for bed!

[Zach6668]

Actuary, on Sunday, February 26th, 2006, 4:00 AM, said:

I could even see waiting for river to raise, although I risk a check thru there.

I was thinking about this. Should be discussed.

[screech]

I think putting in any more bets anywhere is a spew.Definetly c/c the turn with that many opponents. There's almost a 50% chance that you're drawing extremely thin.On the river, I think a bet/call may be best if CO is somewhat passive and stupid. If not, go with a check/call because he will always bet AA-QQ.

[Actuary]

Screech, I'm glad you didn't let my commentary sway you, as I may have been biased. You do see I have a set though?So I'm drawing to 10 outs.You think a better set is out often enough?And, of course, 10 outs is not enough to raise for value.But I am ahead sometimes.Is SB screaming a 9 getting overcall/waitng for non :icon_suit_diamond: river?Or is it CO with a set possibly, that makes it an easy c/c on turn for you?I'm "glad" to have support, yet, surprised!Funny thing, as I was playing it, I was not expecting to win.I just wanted to SD cheaply... with a freakin set!After SB just calls again, on river, I can't c/r? Win two/ lose two? Or Win one if CO goes nuts with over pair, or folds and SB 3-bets a straight.Just thought I played so vanilla.

[screech]

Actuary, on Sunday, February 26th, 2006, 1:42 PM, said:

Screech, I'm glad you didn't let my commentary sway you, as I may have been biased. You do see I have a set though?So I'm drawing to 10 outs.You think a better set is out often enough?And, of course, 10 outs is not enough to raise for value.But I am ahead sometimes.Is SB screaming a 9 getting overcall/waitng for non :icon_suit_diamond: river?Or is it CO with a set possibly, that makes it an easy c/c on turn for you?I'm "glad" to have support, yet, surprised!Funny thing, as I was playing it, I was not expecting to win.I just wanted to SD cheaply... with a freakin set!After SB just calls again, on river, I can't c/r? Win two/ lose two? Or Win one if CO goes nuts with over pair, or folds and SB 3-bets a straight.Just thought I played so vanilla.

CO capping the flop is sort of scary. When he bets the turn, it gets really scary. I would think he has JJ-88 about 50% of the time. I also think that if you do want to raise, it should be on the river. Actually, come to think of it, I think a river raise would be perfect here. CO won't 3-bet unless you're beat, and sb definetly does not have a 9. I'd call a 3-bet, but it's probably wrong.

[Abbaddabba]

50% of the time?not quite...

[screech]

Abbaddabba, on Sunday, February 26th, 2006, 6:08 PM, said:

50% of the time?not quite...

It was a weighted approximation. When he caps the flop and leads the turn, it is more likely he has 2 pair or a set than just an overpair. So yeah, he has JJ-88 around 50% of the time.There are 18 combinations of AA-QQ.15 combinations of JJ-88.3 combinations of T9s.2 combinations of JTs.1 prick.Fuck off!