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[CoranMoran]

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q:diamond:, Q:club:.
1 fold, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero caps, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) A:diamond:, 3:diamond:, A:club: (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Button folds, BB folds, Hero ....


Holding a strong pocket pair when an Ace flops is pretty common.
Under normal circumstances, I will call down after a raise from most loose plaers.
And I fold to a raise from a tight player.

This hand added a couple of new aspects.
* Villain 3bet preflop - thus increasing the liklihood that he has an Ace.
* Two Aces came on the flop - thus decreasing the liklihood that he has one.
* Backdoor Flush Draw exists - does this sway the decision much?

Question:
Is this still a purely read dependant situation?
Or do some of you routinely fold or call down here most all of the time?

Please advise.


--cm

[antistuff]

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q:diamond:, Q:club:.
1 fold, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero caps, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) A:diamond:, 3:diamond:, A:club: (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO monitor. raises, Button folds, BB folds, Hero ....
Holding a strong pocket pair when an Ace flops is pretty common.
Under normal circumstances, I will call down after a raise from most loose plaers.
And I fold to a raise from a tight player.

This hand added a couple of new aspects.
* Villain 3bet preflop - thus increasing the liklihood that he has an Ace.
* Two Aces came on the flop - thus decreasing the liklihood that he has one.
* Backdoor Flush Draw exists - does this sway the decision much?

Question:
Is this still a purely read dependant situation?
Or do some of you routinely fold or call down here most all of the time?

Please advise.
--cm

call and fold turn ui.

if the pot was smaller just bet/fold. if he just called you on the flop, i really have no idea what the best line is.

[AlphaOmega]

If I was in CO's spot, I'd raise a lot of hands that pocket queens are ahead of, think 88-JJ

I think this is a classic WA/WB scenario. If we had a cold-caller on the flop, then I'd release, but since we are HU I think it's best to just check/call down, lose the minimum to Ax but win the maximum from hands that you have severely beat.

If you have a read that your opponent is passive, then yea, it's probably best to fold. If I have any indication that my opponent is aggressive postflop, though, then this is an easy call down for me.

[Actuary]

I'm not folding

[antistuff]

wow me weak tight i never would have thought...

this a shorthanded thing or are you guys always calling down in situations like this?

[hotbacon]

wow me weak tight i never would have thought...

this a shorthanded thing or are you guys always calling down in situations like this?

People will do crazy shit when the board pairs.
You need a really really solid read to fold anywhere in this hand unless it's two cold to you.
But in this case you're headsup in a HUGE pot where a very decent % of the time villain has 88-JJ, or even KQ.
Have to have to have to call down an unknown.

[CoranMoran]

I also felt the need to call down to showdown.
With two Aces on the board, I didn't give folding much thought.

But then entire table began to talk about what a poor play the loose call down was.
That took me off guard and made me wonder.

Either I was playing like a donk...
Or I was at a wonderful table full of them.



--cm

[hotbacon]

buddy list the whole table

[Zach6668]

If I was in CO's spot, I'd raise a lot of hands that pocket queens are ahead of, think 88-JJ

I think this is a classic WA/WB scenario. If we had a cold-caller on the flop, then I'd release, but since we are HU I think it's best to just check/call down, lose the minimum to Ax but win the maximum from hands that you have severely beat.

If you have a read that your opponent is passive, then yea, it's probably best to fold. If I have any indication that my opponent is aggressive postflop, though, then this is an easy call down for me.

Are you saying bet/call the flop, and c/c down, or c/c all 3 streets?

[AlphaOmega]

buddy list the whole table

[KramitDaToad]

If I was in CO's spot, I'd raise a lot of hands that pocket queens are ahead of, think 88-JJ

I think this is a classic WA/WB scenario. If we had a cold-caller on the flop, then I'd release, but since we are HU I think it's best to just check/call down, lose the minimum to Ax but win the maximum from hands that you have severely beat.

If you have a read that your opponent is passive, then yea, it's probably best to fold. If I have any indication that my opponent is aggressive postflop, though, then this is an easy call down for me.

You are right about the WA/WB so the line should actually be call the flop, c/c the turn and b/f the river

[AlphaOmega]

Are you saying bet/call the flop, and c/c down, or c/c all 3 streets?

I'd bet/call the flop, check/call turn, and bet/fold the river.

There's value in a bet on the flop because 88-JJ isn't folding, and probably raising.