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I have two hands in question that I would like input on. Hand #1 Full Tilt Poker Game #450720062: Table Maui (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:47:34 ET - 2006/02/19Seat 1: tiltster ($24.30)Seat 2: Liberateurdolla ($25.75)Seat 3: shadey4 ($8.25)Seat 4: nickv31 ($12.15)Seat 5: suicideking ($32.55)Seat 6: SLOpoker ($44.95)suicideking posts the small blind of $0.25SLOpoker posts the big blind of $0.50The button is in seat #4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to suicideking [8c 8h]tiltster foldsLiberateurdolla calls $0.50shadey4 raises to $1nickv31 foldssuicideking raises to $2.50SLOpoker calls $2Liberateurdolla calls $2shadey4 calls $1.50*** FLOP *** [Ts Js 7d]suicideking checksSLOpoker checksLiberateurdolla checksshadey4 bets $5.75, and is all insuicideking has 15 seconds left to actsuicideking calls $5.75SLOpoker foldsLiberateurdolla foldsshadey4 shows [Ks Qs]suicideking shows [8c 8h]*** TURN *** [Ts Js 7d] [6c]*** RIVER *** [Ts Js 7d 6c] [As]shadey4 shows a Royal Flushsuicideking shows a pair of Eightsshadey4 wins the pot ($20.45) with a Royal Flush*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $21.50 | Rake $1.05Board: [Ts Js 7d 6c As]Seat 1: tiltster didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: Liberateurdolla folded on the FlopSeat 3: shadey4 showed [Ks Qs] and won ($20.45) with a Royal FlushSeat 4: nickv31 (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 5:kingsuicide (small blind) showed [8c 8h] and lost with a pair of EightsSeat 6: SLOpoker (big blind) folded on the FlopI think maybe raise more preflop was my mistake here. I probably should have folded the flop, but I really felt he was on a draw. Any input on this one? Hand #2 Full Tilt Poker Game #450732410: Table Maui (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:52:53 ET - 2006/02/19Seat 1: tiltster ($18.30)Seat 2: Liberateurdolla ($36.60)Seat 3: shadey4 ($19.45)Seat 4: nickv31 ($12.15), is sitting outSeat 5: kingsuicide ($19.25)Seat 6: SLOpoker ($39.95)kingsuicide posts the small blind of $0.25SLOpoker posts the big blind of $0.50The button is in seat #3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to kingsuicide [Ac 6c]tiltster calls $0.50Liberateurdolla calls $0.50shadey4 foldskingsuicide calls $0.25SLOpoker checks*** FLOP *** [Qs 6s 6d]kingsuicide checksSLOpoker checkstiltster checksLiberateurdolla bets $1kingsuicide calls $1SLOpoker raises to $6tiltster foldsLiberateurdolla calls $5kingsuicide raises to $18.75, and is all inSLOpoker raises to $39.45, and is all inLiberateurdolla foldsSLOpoker shows [8d 6h]kingsuicide shows [Ac 6c]Uncalled bet of $20.70 returned to SLOpoker*** TURN *** [Qs 6s 6d] [8h]*** RIVER *** [Qs 6s 6d 8h] [2c]SLOpoker shows a full house, Sixes full of Eightskingsuicide shows three of a kind, SixesSLOpoker wins the pot ($43.50) with a full house, Sixes full of Eights*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $45.50 | Rake $2Board: [Qs 6s 6d 8h 2c]Seat 1: tiltster folded on the FlopSeat 2: Liberateurdolla folded on the FlopSeat 3: shadey4 (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 4: nickv31 is sitting outSeat 5: kingsuicide (small blind) showed [Ac 6c] and lost with three of a kind, SixesSeat 6: SLOpoker (big blind) showed [8d 6h] and won ($43.50) with a full house, Sixes full of EightsOn this one, I do not know what I could have done situationally, I think it is just a suckout. Anything on this one?

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I'm not a fan of reraising with 8's in hand #1. But since we did, I think you're stuck folding this highly coordinated flop with 2 players left to act after you. Hand #2 is one of those s*** happens situations. Neither of you were folding your six and QQ can be eliminated since it was an unraised pot preflop.

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Hand #1. Don't mine the reraise TOO much preflop..but if you're gonna do it, you probably should have reraised more to try and thin the field. That or just call and play for set value. As is....don't call that all in....beating nothing but a draw...and there are even a lot of draws that are favorites over you..such as any OESD + two overcards or any flush draw + two overcards. Fold this flop.Hand #2. Drink a beer. Nothing you can do.

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Hand #1 Easy fold after the flop for me on this one. Fold, and look for a better place to get your money all-in.Hand #2 Now this is a hand I will get my money in every time. Can't help the outcome but make sure you play that the same way next time.

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Yeah, thanks for the input guys. Normally I would have folded hand #1 in that spot, but it was a situational call. He didn't have much more to call, and they way he bet it compared to the other hands he played made me think he was on a draw. Obviously I did not expect that BIG of a draw, but I didn't think I was beat yet. Hand 2 I figured I was just screwed like most of you said.

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Normally I would have folded hand #1 in that spot, but it was a situational call. He didn't have much more to call, and they way he bet it compared to the other hands he played made me think he was on a draw. Obviously I did not expect that BIG of a draw, but I didn't think I was beat yet. Hand 2 I figured I was just screwed like most of you said.
I think you were almost there with your read. You're on the right track when you say you put him on a draw based on past actions and his betting pattern. But I think that giving more thought to the actual texture of his draw would have made your decision really cut and dried. The key piece of info you are leaving out is that he raised pre-flop and then called your re-raise. If you are really putting him on a draw, the chances are that he is on a draw with a couple of overcards (rather than a small suited/connector/both draw) based on the preflop action. This means that he is probably in there with an open-ended straight draw + overs, a flush-draw + overs, or an open-ended straight flush draw (which is what he had). As KowboyKoop already mentioned, in this case you are at best even money and more likely an underdog.Also, assume that he wasn't on a draw. What else could he have here based on the flop and action preflop and postflop? He min-raised, then called, then raised all-in on a coordinated board. If he's not on a draw, then he is likely trying to protect a big pair (that he semi-slow played preflop by min-raising), TPGK, or a set. Given the action, you lose to him even when he's not on a draw.Given the two likeliest possibilities and that you lose in both, I think it's a pretty clear fold here regardless of your read.
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