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[Absolute]

Let's play a guessing game.What do I have and what does my opponent at the river have.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to SlippyJacks [? ?]The Jezus: folds 0400mige: folds SlippyJacks: raises $0.25 to $0.50retta43: folds Toolcrazymom: calls $0.50dinkers: folds LatesJ: folds KEY54: calls $0.50schreech: calls $0.40SiR IceBurn: folds I raise in early to middle position.*** FLOP *** [Ad 9h 8s]schreech: checks SlippyJacks: bets $0.25Toolcrazymom: calls $0.25KEY54: calls $0.25schreech: folds Nice flop?*** TURN *** [Ad 9h 8s] [5d]SlippyJacks: bets $0.50Toolcrazymom: calls $0.50KEY54: calls $0.50Calling stations!*** RIVER *** [Ad 9h 8s 5d] [3c]SlippyJacks: bets $0.50Toolcrazymom: folds KEY54: raises $0.50 to $1SlippyJacks: calls $0.50Hmm?

[Briguy]

You have QQ, and you lose to the A3 soooted. Sucks, no?Oh wait! Micro! You have QQ, and you win against the 10-3x river bluffer.

[Absolute]

I will pretend you didn't use your guesses and let you try again.

[DeckMechanic]

You had AK and he had 33?

[Devilkin]

You had AKo, and he hit two pair on the river (A3o)?Dev

[Absolute]

Why is everyone assuming I lost? :-)

[Devilkin]

Here is why I assumed you lost:1) You raised preflop, so you have a good hand to raise early/middle.2) A98 hit, you bet, so I put you on an Ax. No one raises, so probably no two pair or trip hit.3) you raise again on the turn - still feeling your Ax is good. I put the callers on either an Ax also, or a straight draw.4) River - a 3 hits, not helping a flush or straight draw, so those hands would be eliminated from raising. Key54 now thinks he has you beat, so that 3 must have made a difference to him. I feel two pair for him, and I was reading you on Ax from the beginning. The betting pattern of Key54 tells me they had something to keep them in the hand, and it finally came to fruition on the river. Was it good enough to beat you? Not sure, since you were in early position making the first raise, you never had the chance to reraise in any of these situations. You could have had AA for all I know.Dev

[Emptyeye]

I say you have AK, he either has 67 or 24."But Emptyeye! If he had 67, wouldn't he have raised on the turn?"That would be the smart thing to do, yes. But this is micro-limit, where people try to emulate their favorite poker heroes (And here it actually may have paid off) despite it usually being the wrong play (As I said in my strategy topic here, ask the guy who flopped trip aces on me, decided to be sneaky and check it on the flop AND turn...and allowed me to hit my runner-runner straight on the river. Thanks,Phil Hellmuth!). As for having 24, people like to stay in with any sort of draw whatsoever, regardless of pot odds, which leads to stuff like 24 hitting their runner-runner on the river.

[fryer98]

A8 vs A3?

[Absolute]

You think I raise in MP with A8?I think I am insulted.

[fryer98]

Absolute said:

You think I raise in MP with A8?I think I am insulted.

You should be, I meant to insult you. Just kidding.I didn't read it close enough to have an educated guess. Just threw something out there.

[mx957]

I say AJ for you and A3 for Key.

[ghoti7four]

you paired your ace, your opponent had two diamonds for four to a flush at the end--then he proudly proclaims... all reds!

[Absolute]

you paired your ace, your opponent had two diamonds for four to a flush at the end--then he proudly proclaims... all reds!not close.Here's how I think people should be able to tell my hand quite easily. (Wonders if Smash or wrto or someone limit specialist might have guessed this)Pre flop I raise UTG+2, so that says I am strong.with a A89 rainbow flop, i bet out. so right i could have any of the following given my play:a)AAb)AKc)AQd)AJ suited (i might raise with AJ off UTG+2 depending on the table)I don't see how I could be put on any other hand at this point.The turn doesn't change anything either. Still could have any of those four hands.The river I bet out, showing full strength again and get raised. If I had A-A, i would re-raise here with the set. So you can eliminate that. One can even make an argument for a re-raise with AK here too, since the hands that beat me here are very very slim, only a poorly played A3, because if he had two pair before the river he would raise. Given that, I think you can eliminate AK too.I had AQHe had KKLooking back it, I shouldn't have put on the brakes on the river. AK is the hand I was worrying about, but with AK he would have raised me already. I should have made another bet.Damn.

[Devilkin]

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I had AQHe had KK

I was close on having you pegged. But, your opponent definitely misplayed the betting.What he should have done:After the flop - his only real risk here is someone that hit an A. You bet, he should have reraised. If you reraise, I put you definitely on an A, or even AA. Its an easy fold for him if the turn doesn't hit.I found this to be a very good excercise. . . lets play again, Dad!Dev

[Briguy]

To be fair, my guess (QQ) was based on a) the fact that it's a microtable and B) the fact that betting with a high PP is not a bad move when no-one else is showing strength. On the flop, not the turn (calling stations = bad, in that case). That, and the fact that I hate AQ (the obvious choice), and would wish it on nobody. ick. I still think you lost to A3 sooooooted.

[Chip_and_a_Chair]

I guessed you held AQ, primarily because of your "AQ is a solid hand" posts, and figured it was fresh in your memory Like Devilkin, I think it's tough to put your opponent on his hand here because he played it so passively. IF I were to continue with my Kings with an Ace on board (after your preflop raise), I would definitely reraise you when you bet out on the flop. I would expect one of three things to happen there... 1) You call, but perhaps slow down on the turn for fear that I've hit the flop hard, giving me a free card... If you bet out on the turn after just calling my reraise, I probably give you credit for your hand, and assume you have an ace and will play it to the end; 2) You fold, because you were just joshin'; 3) You reraise, at which point I release my hand.I'm not worried about the other player in the pot, because he probably thought his 2 8 was good until the scary river card came out. :roll:

[Absolute]

It is impossible to put my opponent on a hand therebecause he played it like an idiot

[jayistheman]

why the hell did he smooth call pre flop? and he still played it like he was trapping after the A fell... aw man, what a tard.

[Emptyeye]

Yeah, there's no way I put him on the KK there. And as was mentioned, IF I decide to play it out after your preflop raise and postflop bet, I'll likely raise there. Of course, I need to presume some level of poker sense on your part for this raise to have the full value (Which you have, but a lot of people at micro limits don't and will simply call even with an ace), as you either reraise me or fold.