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UTG and BB were liable to do pretty retarded junk...Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP2 with T:diamond:, 8:diamond:. MP3 posts a blind of $0.50. UTG calls, 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: (5.50 SB) 9:diamond:, T:spade:, J:spade: (5 players)BB bets, Hero calls, CO calls, BB calls.Turn: (10.75 BB) 8:heart: (4 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.River: (14.75 BB) 9:spade: (4 players)BB bets, BB calls.Final Pot: 22.75 BBAnother hand I felt like was crapfully played by me. Clearly once I get counterfeited I have to fold... But in hindsight it looks like a pretty easy flop fold... Given that UTG and BB were retarded is there a better course of action?

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I don't think it's that easy of a fold at all on the flop.You have middle pair + BD FD + OESD against two retards.I'm actually torn between the way you played it (cold-calling) and between three-betting, which could possibly clean up our queen outs, fold flush draws, give us position, etc.

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I dont mind a fold on this flop. You're getting 4.25:1, so you need about 9 outs. Your tens should be reasonably good, but your eights are almost worthless. You have 3 clean 7s. the 7 spade and all the Qs are worth very little. I dont think there's any way to get to 9 outs here. Retarded or not, I dont think you have enough to continue.

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I don't think it's that easy of a fold at all on the flop.You have middle pair + BD FD + OESD against two retards.I'm actually torn between the way you played it (cold-calling) and between three-betting, which could possibly clean up our queen outs, fold flush draws, give us position, etc.
i agree, i think a we can fold some king's that have a portion of this flopwith a 3 bet.
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