today sucked - confusion (part 2)

[AlphaOmega 0]

2/4 9-max (9-handed)No reads. The table was playing VERY loose/passive. There had been about 3 consecutive un-raised pots, and they were usually 6-7 handed.Pre-flop: Hero is dealt A 2 UTGHero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP folds, MP2 raises, folds, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 callsFlop: (8.5 SB)2 8 3 BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks,Turn: (4.25 BB)7 BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, BB callsRiver: (7.25 BB)J :club:BB checks, Hero checks...

[AlphaOmega 0]

And I know my read of the table probably doesn't justify a pre-flop limp UTG with that hand.

[princeof56k 0]

Preflop limp is fine.

[screech 0]

And I know my read of the table probably doesn't justify a pre-flop limp UTG with that hand.

If anything, it does. What kind of table conditions are you looking for?River check is good. What's your plan if MP bets and BB calls? What if MP bets and BB folds?

[Bubba83 0]

Why'd we bet the turn? There's like 4 other people in this hand, I don't think they all fold often enough for this to be worth it for this smallish pot, and you most likely don't have the best hand to be betting for value.Oops, 3 other people, well, I guess they might fold, I still don't think I'd do it though! 8)

[Briguy 0]

If anything, you should bet that flop. The pot isn't bad sized, and that flop missed many likely PFR hands. You want people with unmatched small overcards to your deuce (potentially everyone except the PFR) to fold. I doubt that you'll lose the preflop raiser, but with a bit of luck you may have him reverse-dominated at this point.Of course, your position sucks, and you'd probably have to call a raise and then check/fold the turn if one of your BD flush or BD straight cards (or A, 2, obviously) doesn't come through on the turn. Nonetheless, with a bet/call on the flop, you are paying the same amount as you did on the turn in a more hopeless situation (no BD draws, one more overcard on board).

[AlphaOmega 0]

And I know my read of the table probably doesn't justify a pre-flop limp UTG with that hand.

If anything, it does. What kind of table conditions are you looking for?River check is good. What's your plan if MP bets and BB calls? What if MP bets and BB folds?

I almost want to fold both situations. If MP bets and BB calls, then I think it's an easy fold. If MP bets and BB folds, I'd call just because the pot is kinda big and nobody has really shown that they want it.

[screech 0]

And I know my read of the table probably doesn't justify a pre-flop limp UTG with that hand.

If anything, it does. What kind of table conditions are you looking for?River check is good. What's your plan if MP bets and BB calls? What if MP bets and BB folds?

I almost want to fold both situations. If MP bets and BB calls, then I think it's an easy fold. If MP bets and BB folds, I'd call just because the pot is kinda big and nobody has really shown that they want it.

Yeah. I would fold if MP bet.

[Wingmaster05 0]

betting the turn is tempting, but i wouldn't do it. there is a good chance someone will call, and from there we aren't really sure what to do on the river. c/c? c/f? bet?

[amarillotg 0]

i check the turn as well and fold to any bet.