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[nrs02004]

MP is unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J:club:, A:diamond:.
1 fold, MP calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A:spade:, 8:heart:, 8:spade: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 2:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB

1) Raising pf here is good?
2) Is it ok to fold on the turn? (I thought that it was 8/9 handed, if that was the case would it be ok to fold the turn?)
3) Would it have been better to call his flop raise then use a wa/wb line? How about if the flop was rainbow?

[Actuary]

NH.

keep eye on him.
but no need to pay for info here.

[rog]

I dont mind the line you took, but this is classic wa/wb. You're either drawing to an A, or you have villain drawing to a couple outs. I'd c/c, c/c, b/f. Possibly b/c on the river depending on read.

[doubleatrain]

I dont mind the line you took, but this is classic wa/wb. You're either drawing to an A, or you have villain drawing to a couple outs. I'd c/c, c/c, b/f. Possibly b/c on the river depending on read.

I don't really think this qualifies as such, mainly because of the presence of a possible flush draw (and then 3 to that flush after the turn). After the turn it's more likely to use that line, but even then if they've got any spade in their hand they're drawing to a fair number of outs. I guess I tend to think of way ahead as having my opponent drawing to 2 or 3 outs (which is certainly possible here, but it's possible they have sixteen hundred outs as well is what I'm saying I suppose).

My logic could be flawed, but it just seems like you're way behind more than you're ever way ahead, so I like the way it was played by the OP.

[rog]

Yeah, I missed the flush possibility. My bad. That said, you cant protect against the flush draw, so my opinion hasn't changed. Notice you put 2.5 BB in the pot postflop, which would have been enough to show it down with a more passive line.

[doubleatrain]

Yeah, I missed the flush possibility. My bad. That said, you cant protect against the flush draw, so my opinion hasn't changed. Notice you put 2.5 BB in the pot postflop, which would have been enough to show it down with a more passive line.

I just prefer the bet/fold line to the c/c on both the turn and river. If you bet and he raises, you can safely fold on the turn. If you just get called you can c/c or c/f the river depending on a specific read.

[RISEorFall]

If you just get called you can c/c or c/f the river depending on a specific read.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if he just calls our turn bet, I'm betting the river. Also, if he just calls the turn, I am not c/f the river. C/c maybe, but i'd prefer to bet.

[Abbaddabba]

I dont mind the line you took, but this is classic wa/wb.

No. It is not.

[doubleatrain]

If you just get called you can c/c or c/f the river depending on a specific read.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if he just calls our turn bet, I'm betting the river. Also, if he just calls the turn, I am not c/f the river. C/c maybe, but i'd prefer to bet.

This is true, but I guess it just depends on the river card. Any non-spade if he just calls on the turn I'm betting the river, but if it's a spade I guess I'd prefer c/c or c/f against the tightest of players. Though I guess either way it's tough to c/f the river...so in other words...I absolutely agree with you now that you mention it. :-)

[Actuary]

rog,

from your posts it appears you are really biased by villans action.

How do you even know he will bet this flop?

[rog]

rog,

from your posts it appears you are really biased by villans action.

How do you even know he will bet this flop?

You're right...I am biased. You have to push the action on the flop.

I guess my problem with this line is, we're only behind to VERY few combos. If villain is thinking, he pretty much knows we dont have an 8, so I'd like to show this down. I think there's a very good chance we're folding a winner here. Once he raises the flop, I'm thinking about how to show it down cheaply.

[Actuary]

I totally empathize with you.
We are folding the best hand here a decen # of times.
But that sucks.
If we had not 3 bet flop.
Pot would be 5 BB on turn.
Giving us 3.5:1 effective odds to see sd.
We can see SD for 1 sb more than we spent.
However, we also give free cards to draws raising flop.
And/or miss value from Ax

What do you all think of bet/call flop
Bet/Fold turn
Bet/Fold spade river, C/C otherwise

[pokerplayer24]

Hand looks great IMO. If hes doing this with a weaker A or a hand that you have beat you'll catch on in time and start exploiting it. As is the flush draw has gotten there and he could easily play 8x like this.

On occassion you'll see a good player pulling this line with Ax with x being a spade with the intent to take a free showdown UI but at the .50/1 level I dont think you have to worry about it to much.

[doubleatrain]

What do you all think of bet/call flop
Bet/Fold turn
Bet/Fold spade river, C/C otherwise

That's the line I like the most, I'd say.