did i have the odds?

[bdc30 0]

Omaha Hi/Low $0.50-$1 PL (real money), hand #97,944,792Table St Laurent, 7 Feb 2006 8:35 PM ETSeat 10: fcpbdc30 [ AD,7D,8D,AH ]ANTES/BLINDSCorneliusRex posts blind ($0.50), jbharshaw20 posts blind ($0.50).PRE-FLOPmichaldz calls $0.50, fcpbdc30 calls $0.50, BarneyF calls $0.50, QuikPanda folds, Confiscateur calls $0.50, jbharshaw20 checks, SugarBowl05 folds, CorneliusRex checks.FLOP [board cards AC,6S,JS ]CorneliusRex checks, michaldz bets $1, fcpbdc30 bets $6, BarneyF folds, Confiscateur calls $6, jbharshaw20 calls $6, CorneliusRex folds, michaldz calls $5.TURN [board cards AC,6S,JS,8S ]michaldz checks, fcpbdc30 checks, Confiscateur bets $27, jbharshaw20 calls $27, michaldz calls $27, fcpbdc30 folds.Sorry, I know I didn't use the converter, but I couldn't get it to work.I had about $40 left in my stack by the turn...I thought I might have the odds to call after the 2 otherscalled as well, and I let the timer go all the way to the end.I just figured with no low at all, and needing a board pairto beat the obvious flush that was out there, it just wasn'tworth it.... Thoughts on the preflop call? Flop bet??Turn check??AArgh.... :wink:

[Sluggo 0]

Fold preflop.Bet flop.Fold turn.good luck

[HoosierAlum 0]

Fold preflop.Your flop action was fine.Fold turn, you werent getting right price.

[bdc30 0]

$110 (ish) in the pot and $27 to me to call.Given that I only have $13 left after that, my impliedodds are limited, even if I do hit, and I'm only in for thehigh pot, so I'm thinking your advice is starting to sink in.Thanks Hoosier!

[Rocketwadster 0]

People have commented that you should fold pre-flop. What about a pre-flop raise, to hopefully narrow the field, and possibly get position? :?

[Chamonyx 0]

Pre-flop. There are arguments for folding, calling and raising here that are all valid. I think my preference is to call and then if someone raises behind to max re-raise to thin the field and enable me to get all-in on the flop.Flop. This is a horrible flop for you. Anyone with 2 low spades has bells going off. And with all those callers, you know that the 23, 34 type hands are going to be out there. I would probably flat call here and pray that no one raised behind me. Any action and you have to go home - you are almost certainly drawing at half the pot and as a dog.Turn. Now you are done and must fold here. You are definitely drawing to only half the pot and will have better opportunities to leverage your chips. From a purely mathematical p-o-v, even giving you maximum implied odds, you are being offered 5:2 here. You have 9 (probable) outs for half the pot which is just worse than 3:1

[HoosierAlum 0]

Pre-flop.  There are arguments for folding, calling and raising here that are all valid.  I think my preference is to call and then if someone raises behind to max re-raise to thin the field and enable me to get all-in on the flop.Flop.  This is a horrible flop for you.  Anyone with 2 low spades has bells going off.  And with all those callers, you know that the 23, 34 type hands are going to be out there.  I would probably flat call here and pray that no one raised behind me.  Any action and you have to go home - you are almost certainly drawing at half the pot and as a dog.Turn.  Now you are done and must fold here.  You are definitely drawing to only half the pot and will have better opportunities to leverage your chips.  From a purely mathematical p-o-v, even giving you maximum implied odds, you are being offered 5:2 here.  You have 9 (probable) outs for half the pot which is just worse than 3:1

I make that play with AAxx quite often also. Limp, then if it is raised behind me, re-raise the pot to get HU and all-in on flop.

[Wintermute 0]

Fold preflop.

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[Wintermute 0]

Fold preflop.

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[HoosierAlum 0]

Fold preflop.

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[vanilla icely 0]

Fold preflop.

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*cough* Playing for only half the pot *cough*I dont mind the call PF, but I dont like raising much - I dont think we want to try to isolate when only playing for half the pot. If we had low cards with the Aces, then raise the fuck out of it, for sure. Id fold it PF, as we are not in great position.Apart from that, you played it fine.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Fold preflop.

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*cough* Playing for only half the pot *cough*I dont mind the call PF, but I dont like raising much - I dont think we want to try to isolate when only playing for half the pot. If we had low cards with the Aces, then raise the censored out of it, for sure. Id fold it PF, as we are not in great position.Apart from that, you played it fine.

Before the flop, you don't know if you are only playing for half of the pot, hence my thoughts that you raise to narrow the field and see what the flop brings, hen re-assess.Look at decisions, not results. 8)

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Fold preflop wasn't too bad, but Chamonyx's line is fine, limp and hope for reraise. But if everyone else limped, be prepared to fold on the flop a good amount of time. If the flop had two high cards rainbow, pot it and go from there, that depends on your read and how you feel like the others feel about you.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Flop. This is a horrible flop for you. Anyone with 2 low spades has bells going off. And with all those callers, you know that the 23, 34 type hands are going to be out there. I would probably flat call here and pray that no one raised behind me. Any action and you have to go home - you are almost certainly drawing at half the pot and as a dog. I will choose to call too to keep the pot small because against so many bufflos this hand becomes a drawing hand. But if I get raised, I will pot this back hopefully getting headsup. Even you are against 2346 with two spades you are about 50:50. But if you get everyone moved in on the flop then you are getting better than the right odds. This is the hand I will gamble.