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[digitalmonkey]

http://kyw.com/topstories/local_story_038121419.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=...ocal&id=3883497

[gruven]

Holy crap..... talk about a can of worms....

[mcpickl]

this could get real ugly. already talk of some rather big names using this service for betting.

ughhhhhh

[mrdannyg]

i thought this was a joke judging by the title. really hope they don't find too many NHLers connected with it.
although i wouldn't complain of JR got a bit of prison (i.e. ass-rapage) time. smug mf'er

[Meatwad]

I think it's overblown as far as its impact on hockey. Just going to be overhyped to make it a more exciting story. Statements are saying the hockey players who wagered bet on pro and college football and basketball. Nothing really surprising there I mean Connolly even talked about winning the team March Madness pool on his ESPN chat. Jagr owed money from betting on football. Roenick was investigated for betting football. Former NHL officiating director Van Hellemand had betting problems hitting up refs for loans because he bet on the ponies. Theodore's family is mobbed up. As long as it's not betting on hockey the NHL doesn't seem to care about betting or ties to organized crime. Wonder if the NHL will buckle under the media blitz and adopt a zero tolerance gambling policy for show.

[bdc30]

People are saying that Janet Gretzky was in
on this too...

I find it very hard to believe, but I hope for the
Great One's sake it isn't true...

They'd make an example out of her, like they're
gonna do with Tochett.

[DB10-2]

People are saying that Janet Gretzky was in
on this too...

I find it very hard to believe, but I hope for the
Great One's sake it isn't true...

They'd make an example out of her, like they're
gonna do with Tochett.

i doubt it's that big of a deal. they're probably after the guys really at the top. it's bad for tocchet that he financed it, though. i'm sure janet gretzky was just a player. or so i'd hope...

[Petoria]

Gambling on sports other than hockey isn't against any rules in the NHL. This whole thing is a jopke. I dont understand what's wrong with sports betting, the only reason it's illegal is because they used to use it as leverage against organized crime heads. I doubt that anything worse than a few bets were going on. The media is going to make a big deal out of it, but I'm thinking that it's a relatively innocent (compared to the mafia) business venture by Tocchet.

[bdc30]

Gambling on sports other than hockey isn't against any rules in the NHL.  This whole thing is a jopke.  I dont understand what's wrong with sports betting, the only reason it's illegal is because they used to use it as leverage against organized crime heads.  I doubt that anything worse than a few bets were going on.  The media is going to make a big deal out of it, but I'm thinking that it's a relatively innocent (compared to the mafia) business venture by Tocchet.

I don't even know where to begin trying to dispute what you
just said.

First, I'd like to hear your definition of "a few" bets. $1.7 million
worth is the number being thrown around, and to me that seems
pretty substantial.

Second, it's not illegal because they "use it as leverage".
It's illegal, bottom line, and your (or anyone elses) views of
it being a harmless activity are unimportant in the eyes of
the law. Revenue from sports betting operations is always
unreported, untaxed income, and most of the time ends up
funding more serious criminal activities.

Third, to call it a "business venture" is a little kind, don't
you think?

I'm sure that purely gambling on other sports isn't against
the NHL rules, but do you not think that being accused
of this type of thing tarnishes the whole league? No way they
will ever let Tocchet back behind an NHL bench, I guarantee.
Any player implicated of betting with Tocchet I don't think
will face much discipline with the league, but Tocchet is done,
I would BET on that.

[Petoria]

Gambling on sports other than hockey isn't against any rules in the NHL.  This whole thing is a jopke.  I dont understand what's wrong with sports betting, the only reason it's illegal is because they used to use it as leverage against organized crime heads.  I doubt that anything worse than a few bets were going on.  The media is going to make a big deal out of it, but I'm thinking that it's a relatively innocent (compared to the mafia) business venture by Tocchet.

I don't even know where to begin trying to dispute what you
just said.

First, I'd like to hear your definition of "a few" bets. $1.7 million
worth is the number being thrown around, and to me that seems
pretty substantial.

Well, considering it catered to mostly hockey players and celebrities, 1.7 mil doesnt seem all that crazy. Why does it matter how much money is being wagered, they're still just making a few bets.

Second, it's not illegal because they "use it as leverage".
It's illegal, bottom line, and your (or anyone elses) views of
it being a harmless activity are unimportant in the eyes of
the law. Revenue from sports betting operations is always
unreported, untaxed income, and most of the time ends up
funding more serious criminal activities.

It's hard for me to believe that Rick Tocchet is involved in something more serious. Yes, money from illegal sports betting goes unreported, so what, that's part of my point. Anything that the gov't can't tax, suddenly becomes illegal

Third, to call it a "business venture" is a little kind, don't
you think?

No because in my opinion, and the opinion shared by many of this forum, there is no legitimate reason for gambling to be illegal. The best argument is that it's a "gateway" crime, and that barely flies.

I'm sure that purely gambling on other sports isn't against
the NHL rules, but do you not think that being accused
of this type of thing tarnishes the whole league? No way they
will ever let Tocchet back behind an NHL bench, I guarantee.
Any player implicated of betting with Tocchet I don't think
will face much discipline with the league, but Tocchet is done,
I would BET on that.

So you want to punish a guy for being involved in something that the NHL allows? I understand that he went about it the wrong way, but I dont think this hurts the league in any way since no gambling was done on NHL games.

[bdc30]

P

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree eh :wink:

[Shizzmoney]

It's nice to see the NHL finally get some attention and press in the news.....oh....wait...

[WestcoastCanuck]

I believe they took 1.7 million in bets during a week, which is pretty big (not vegas casino big, but big).

The investigation is reportedly moving towards a Philly Mob family. Like BDC said, illegal sports gambling is often used to finance mafia related business. If Tochett did help finance this, I would geuss that he will either face some stiff jail time or make a plea bargain to testify against the mob. If Janet Gretzky simply placed a few bets, I would doubt she would be charged with anything substantial.

[digitalmonkey]

I believe they took 1.7 million in bets during a week, which is pretty big (not vegas casino big, but big).

The investigation is reportedly moving towards a Philly Mob family. Like BDC said, illegal sports gambling is often used to finance mafia related business. If Tochett did help finance this, I would geuss that he will either face some stiff jail time or make a plea bargain to testify against the mob. If Janet Gretzky simply placed a few bets, I would doubt she would be charged with anything substantial.

Jail would be the best choice here.

[mcpickl]

Gambling on sports other than hockey isn't against any rules in the NHL. This whole thing is a jopke. I dont understand what's wrong with sports betting, the only reason it's illegal is because they used to use it as leverage against organized crime heads. I doubt that anything worse than a few bets were going on. The media is going to make a big deal out of it, but I'm thinking that it's a relatively innocent (compared to the mafia) business venture by Tocchet.

nothing to do with being against NHL rules. its against Americas rules. hes not being charged with high-sticking here. running a gambling ring is illegal, period.

[Meatwad]

I believe they took 1.7 million in bets during a week, which is pretty big (not vegas casino big, but big).

The investigation is reportedly moving towards a Philly Mob family. Like BDC said, illegal sports gambling is often used to finance mafia related business. If Tochett did help finance this, I would geuss that he will either face some stiff jail time or make a plea bargain to testify against the mob. If Janet Gretzky simply placed a few bets, I would doubt she would be charged with anything substantial.

I heard $1.7 million during a 40 day period. Not exactly chump change either way but how convenient that the 40 day span covers the biggest gambling events from college bowl games to the super bowl. I think the authorities are just making it look bigger but either way he funded the book and money laundering is pretty much going to be a given. All this mob ties talk makes me rethink a quote awhile back where he said he'd do anything to win including slash a guy in the neck... :shock:

[mcpickl]

I believe they took 1.7 million in bets during a week, which is pretty big (not vegas casino big, but big).

The investigation is reportedly moving towards a Philly Mob family. Like BDC said, illegal sports gambling is often used to finance mafia related business. If Tochett did help finance this, I would geuss that he will either face some stiff jail time or make a plea bargain to testify against the mob. If Janet Gretzky simply placed a few bets, I would doubt she would be charged with anything substantial.

I heard $1.7 million during a 40 day period. Not exactly chump change either way but how convenient that the 40 day span covers the biggest gambling events from college bowl games to the super bowl. I think the authorities are just making it look bigger but either way he funded the book and money laundering is pretty much going to be a given. All this mob ties talk makes me rethink a quote awhile back where he said he'd do anything to win including slash a guy in the neck... :shock:

how are authorities making it look bigger? 1.7 million is 1.7 million, no matter when it is.

[Meatwad]

I believe they took 1.7 million in bets during a week, which is pretty big (not vegas casino big, but big).

The investigation is reportedly moving towards a Philly Mob family. Like BDC said, illegal sports gambling is often used to finance mafia related business. If Tochett did help finance this, I would geuss that he will either face some stiff jail time or make a plea bargain to testify against the mob. If Janet Gretzky simply placed a few bets, I would doubt she would be charged with anything substantial.

I heard $1.7 million during a 40 day period. Not exactly chump change either way but how convenient that the 40 day span covers the biggest gambling events from college bowl games to the super bowl. I think the authorities are just making it look bigger but either way he funded the book and money laundering is pretty much going to be a given. All this mob ties talk makes me rethink a quote awhile back where he said he'd do anything to win including slash a guy in the neck... :shock:

how are authorities making it look bigger? 1.7 million is 1.7 million, no matter when it is.

They picked the peak of the betting season so the amount they do the rest of the year might be a lot less.

[mcpickl]

I believe they took 1.7 million in bets during a week, which is pretty big (not vegas casino big, but big).

The investigation is reportedly moving towards a Philly Mob family. Like BDC said, illegal sports gambling is often used to finance mafia related business. If Tochett did help finance this, I would geuss that he will either face some stiff jail time or make a plea bargain to testify against the mob. If Janet Gretzky simply placed a few bets, I would doubt she would be charged with anything substantial.

I heard $1.7 million during a 40 day period. Not exactly chump change either way but how convenient that the 40 day span covers the biggest gambling events from college bowl games to the super bowl. I think the authorities are just making it look bigger but either way he funded the book and money laundering is pretty much going to be a given. All this mob ties talk makes me rethink a quote awhile back where he said he'd do anything to win including slash a guy in the neck... :shock:

how are authorities making it look bigger? 1.7 million is 1.7 million, no matter when it is.

They picked the peak of the betting season so the amount they do the rest of the year might be a lot less.

if they do zero the rest of the year, which apparently they will, 1.7 million dollars is still 1.7 million dollars. its a lot of dough. the authorities dont have to make it look bigger. its big.

[Petoria]

I believe they took 1.7 million in bets during a week, which is pretty big (not vegas casino big, but big).

The investigation is reportedly moving towards a Philly Mob family. Like BDC said, illegal sports gambling is often used to finance mafia related business. If Tochett did help finance this, I would geuss that he will either face some stiff jail time or make a plea bargain to testify against the mob. If Janet Gretzky simply placed a few bets, I would doubt she would be charged with anything substantial.

I heard $1.7 million during a 40 day period. Not exactly chump change either way but how convenient that the 40 day span covers the biggest gambling events from college bowl games to the super bowl. I think the authorities are just making it look bigger but either way he funded the book and money laundering is pretty much going to be a given. All this mob ties talk makes me rethink a quote awhile back where he said he'd do anything to win including slash a guy in the neck... :shock:

how are authorities making it look bigger? 1.7 million is 1.7 million, no matter when it is.

They picked the peak of the betting season so the amount they do the rest of the year might be a lot less.

if they do zero the rest of the year, which apparently they will, 1.7 million dollars is still 1.7 million dollars. its a lot of dough. the authorities dont have to make it look bigger. its big.

You're missing the point, they didnt take a 40-day period that accurately represents the average number of bets for a 40 day period. I'd say that they probably, on average, make a third or less of that 1.7 mil.