squeezing out value

[pokerkid 0]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J:diamond:, K:diamond:. 1 fold, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (16 SB) J:club:, J:spade:, A:diamond: (5 players)lead out or c/r?

[Swift_Psycho 1]

A 9-handed 6-max table? Haha.Any reads?

[WonderfulSplash 0]

If we c/r we force Mp2+3 to call 2 cold and make it less likely to pick up their dead money. Im bet/calling the flop and c/r'ing a non-ace turn.

[RISEorFall 0]

I think we can cap this pf. our equity against 4 others is good. Even if we force out the MPs that's dead $$ and 2 less people to worry about.lead the flop.

[psujohn 0]

I limp this in EP. I'd love for everyone to limp along with me.Lead the flop. No one ever believes you have the J. You'll get calls from any A and lots of pocket pairs. If everyone fold they weren't calling anything later anyway. AK, KK and sometimes AQ, QQ will raise you.

[RISEorFall 0]

I limp this in EP. I'd love for everyone to limp along with me.Lead the flop. No one ever believes you have the J. You'll get calls from any A and lots of pocket pairs. If everyone fold they weren't calling anything later anyway. AK, KK and sometimes AQ, QQ will raise you.

KJoff is a limp. KJs is a raise.I doubt you're getting raised by KK or QQ.

[bdams19 0]

A line i like to take on this flop is bet / call when raised and check raise the turn if you can trap bets between you and the player betting. Otherwise, just bet bet bet.

[Actuary 3]

CAP PREFLOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!lead out and HOPE Button raises you

[Guest Zach6668]

CAP PREFLOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!lead out and HOPE Button raises you

You are capping preflop with JKs? I cringe when I get 3-bet when I raise with this (although I always raise with it).Anyways, DEFINITELY lead the flop. Simply for the fact that no one will believe you have a jack, also you get to trap the limpers for some money!- Zach

[RISEorFall 0]

You are capping preflop with JKs?  I cringe when I get 3-bet when I raise with this (although I always raise with it).

You have good equity with the other 4 in the pot. If it was HU or 3-handed, I just call. even if we cap and a couple of the others drop out, that leaves dead money in the pot and less players to worry about.

[Guest Zach6668]

You are capping preflop with JKs?  I cringe when I get 3-bet when I raise with this (although I always raise with it).

You have good equity with the other 4 in the pot. If it was HU or 3-handed, I just call. even if we cap and a couple of the others drop out, that leaves dead money in the pot and less players to worry about.

Good point.

[antistuff 0]

You do not have the equity here to cap preflop.

[RISEorFall 0]

You do not have the equity here to cap preflop.

yes you do. There are 5 people in the pot. You are winning this pot more than 1 in 5 times.

[antistuff 0]

What ranges do you put them on?

[RISEorFall 0]

What ranges do you put them on?

it's .50/1who knowsA3, 9-2, 6-7off, and a 3-bet could be anywhere from 77 to AA or AK. Or maybe they all have pocket Aces. Except one guy. He has pocket Queens. What 4 hands do you think we're against that we won't win the pot 1 in 5 times?

[antistuff 0]

Running a bunch of different stuff through pokerstove just now, its seems close. Maybe 2-3% in either direction. What other hands are you capping with here?

[RISEorFall 0]

youre not really trying to give these kinda donks at .50/1 hand ranges are you?

[psujohn 0]

KJoff is a limp. KJs is a raise.

That depends on why you chose between limp and raise pf. If you're limping hands that are less likely to win and raising hands that are more likely to win then fine. You want to do that to a certain extent.A big part of the limp/raise decision is your position, the general tendencies of the table, the specific tendencies of the players yet to act and the action before you.In EP first in I'm more tempted to raise KJo if the table generally folds to an EP raise. KJo is more likely to win with top pair HU or 3 way. With KJs at a table that's more likely to call when there are limpers in the pot I like to limp and encourage multi-way action. In this case I'm looking more for flush and str8 draws than top pair kinds of hands.Now if you're at a table with people who will call two pf just as readily as they'll limp you'd want to switch that around to what you said.

[RISEorFall 0]

In EP first in I'm more tempted to raise KJo if the table generally folds to an EP raise.

I hate tables like this. If I'm at one, I'm usually leaving pretty quick.

Now if you're at a table with people who will call two pf just as readily as they'll limp you'd want to switch that around to what you said.

Now I love tables like this.