kk in late position

[GABMAD 0]

Tournament Buy In: 20$PPl: 180Stage in tournament: 2nd, blinds 15/30PPl left: 120My chips: 2200Limper 1- 2300Limper 2: 2350I pick up KK in late position and after 2 late postion limpers I raise 4X BB, blinds fold, limpers call. Flop comes 456 with 2 hearts, first player checks, second bets 240 what do you do?I'll post outcome later.

[therrinn 0]

Make it 750 to go.

[mk 11]

raise more preflop, at least 5-6x BB.playing it as you did, i would make a raise of about 1/2 the size of the pot on the flop to put villain to the test. you'll find out immediately if he's committed to the hand. if he jams back, you'll have a difficult decision to make. your opponent really only likes his hand if he has [33-TT, 45, 56, 67, or a flush draw]. you aren't in great shape against that range, but you'll have to go with your read.

[gobears 0]

I would have raised much more preflop - Probably to 300 which might seem high but I'd be surprised if I didn't get at least one caller.That flop stinks for you - with only 120 invested in the pot and it being fairly early with blinds at only 15/30, folding is definitely an option. Many of the hands that he could have spell trouble for you. With the board that coordinated, he could be leading with a set, two pair, lower pp, flush/staight draw. The fact that you only bet 120 pre-flop makes me lean towards a fold as villain was more likely to play cards that love that flop.

[GABMAD 0]

raise more preflop, at least 5-6x BB.playing it as you did, i would make a raise of about 1/2 the size of the pot on the flop to put villain to the test.  you'll find out immediately if he's committed to the hand.  if he jams back, you'll have a difficult decision to make.  your opponent really only likes his hand if he has [33-TT, 45, 56, 67, or a flush draw].  you aren't in great shape against that range, but you'll have to go with your read.

I don't see how I can put him on 45, 56, or 67 seeing how he played it. Do u really see him limping and then calling a raise by someone who is out of position with that sort of hand?

[therrinn 0]

I don't see how I can put him on 45, 56, or 67 seeing how he played it. Do u really see him limping and then calling a raise by someone who is out of position with that sort of hand?

Yes.

[mk 11]

raise more preflop, at least 5-6x BB.playing it as you did, i would make a raise of about 1/2 the size of the pot on the flop to put villain to the test.  you'll find out immediately if he's committed to the hand.  if he jams back, you'll have a difficult decision to make.  your opponent really only likes his hand if he has [33-TT, 45, 56, 67, or a flush draw].  you aren't in great shape against that range, but you'll have to go with your read.

I don't see how I can put him on 45, 56, or 67 seeing how he played it. Do u really see him limping and then calling a raise by someone who is out of position with that sort of hand?

i probably would call with small suited connectors for that price, hoping to catch good and bust the raiser if he's holding a big pair. so uh... yes.

[gobears 0]

I don't see how I can put him on 45, 56, or 67 seeing how he played it. Do u really see him limping and then calling a raise by someone who is out of position with that sort of hand?

Yes.

Deep Stacks - Low Blinds - Yes Yes Yes

[blakheart 3]

The combo of a deep stack and low blinds is exactly when you want to play low suited connectors and small pairs out of position.

[SexyStudThang 0]

One of the biggest holes in my tounament play is probably my unwillingness to lay down KK or AA in a situation just as this one. If i were playing, I'd probably bump him 3x his bet on that flop, and depending on his response decide what I was going to do...and then I'd realize that no matter what he does Im not laying my KK down He could have anything from a straight/flush draw, to 77, to 45, to 78: the board is scary as hell but in the end I would decide there's too many hands that he would lead out with there that AREN'T beating KK and call when he moves in.It'd be a lot different if I were late in the 750k about to burst the bubble: but early in a 180 man sng where I can just try again if Im wrong: I'd just run it. No one can fault you for running it, although it can easly be argued that you should fold the hand. I dont really think there's a wrong play here: go with the gut.