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#21 BilliardsBoy

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 07:49 AM

:roll: Don't fix it if it ain't broke.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 08:21 AM

JFarrell20 said:

This though came about after seemingly losing in a limit game with Aces and Kings to trip 2's when the board goes K A 8 2 2 and the other dude shows 2 4 offsuit. It is truly an awful feeling. I think this ruling would protect the better players more and protect the novices less.
No, it won't protect the "better players". Currently, the better players salivate at the prospects of getting 24o guy to dump all his chips in future hands. It will only protect the folks who whine about bad beats, and frankly that's not a segment that's particularly worthy of protection, IMHO.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 08:41 AM

I suggest you play guts. you only get 2 cards and no flop. Best 2 card hand wins, no suckouts. But hold em is a 7 card game and its over not over untill all 7 are dealt unless everyone folds. I know suckouts are agonizing especially when they seem to happen every other hand, but without the fish making these plays nobody would be there to pay you off when you do have the best hand. The game your describing wouldn't last longer than a few months when the fish ran out of money and quit redepositing in a game they never win a pot in. Occasional suckouts keep them swimming happily along.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 09:05 AM

so what would three of a kind with two on the board one in the hole beat?a pair? two pair where both of the values making up two pair are lower than the set? what about quads with only one in the hole? what if the board is better than both hands? should we no longer split the pot? should the chips ascend into heaven to be with the angels and their dead grannny and their little dog pookie poo? straights with one card? flushes with one? what about a full house with one? wait wait I just had a great idea for how hold'em ought to be played... instead of having two cards in the hole and five on the board... we should each have five in our hand!!! oh, wait... even better... then we could "draw" cards if our hand wasn't good enough and then you could only win with the cards that you yourself hold because those are the only ones that matter right??? right?? I don't know if we could still call it hold 'em though. any ideas out there about what this "five card drawing poker card game" could be called? maybe we could call it "I sure do miss granny poker". then again I really don't know what I'm talking about.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 09:35 AM

ghoti7four said:

so what would three of a kind with two on the board one in the hole beat?a pair? two pair where both of the values making up two pair are lower than the set? .
It would beat two pairs where one pair is lower in rank and one is higher. Only TWO over-pairs would beat a set, and ONLY if 2 of the 3-of-a-kind are in the community.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 09:36 AM

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I suggest you play guts. you only get 2 cards and no flop. Best 2 card hand wins, no suckouts. But hold em is a 7 card game and its over not over untill all 7 are dealt unless everyone folds. I know suckouts are agonizing especially when they seem to happen every other hand, but without the fish making these plays nobody would be there to pay you off when you do have the best hand. The game your describing wouldn't last longer than a few months when the fish ran out of money and quit redepositing in a game they never win a pot in. Occasional suckouts keep them swimming happily along.
You're right, holdem is the perfect game, no flaws whatsoever.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 09:39 AM

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And don't worry, I'll think of you everytime I beat two overpairs with an underset.
Sure, but the point is, that a good player will not play a crap starting hand and end up getting lucky with an underset against two pairs nearly as much as he will make two pairs and end up losing to a crappy underset when the dude flips 3 8 offsuit... again..protecting the wiser players. I have no idea why that is such a bad idea?Don't you get it? If you are smart enough to not play craptastic starting hands then you will not administer this beat (crappy underset vs. two over-pairs) nearly as much as it will be administered to you, in the long run. That's what we're all playing for, the long run, right?
I'm re-posting this because the logic of it seems to have escaped everyone. Sure fish are good, and we want fish to get lucky now and then. But let fish suckout on other fish. Protect the quality players so we don't have people like Varkonyi winning the d.amn WSOP. This beat will be administered TO you much more than it will be administered FROM you.How do you not understand this? If you consider yourself a good player, why would you EVER want fish to get lucky at YOUR expense?! Preposterous!

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 10:42 AM

Preposterous, thats a big word... I have another one for you... Arbitrary, thats what your rules are. Last time I checked poker had something to do with (keep up with me here) mathematics? Oh wait wait I'm sorry it wasn't mathematics it was whatever you happen to feel at the time thats what poker is based on. Keep up the good work.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 11:14 AM

Yeah it has something to do with math. It also has something to do with several other aspects. It's a shame you can't understand stuff.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 11:46 AM

ooh ooh and everytime there is a four in your hand and the board comes down Kh, 7(of any suit), 10c, 6 and another 6 you win!!! and then cheetos and hand jobs will rain down from heaven!!! and then you get to wear the special hat that says I BIG POKER SMART MAN!!!! and a T-Shirt that says HANDRANKINGS FOR DUMB I PLAY FEEL GOOD POKER!!! and then magical monkeys can burn books based on probability in the center of the table and every one will have a good laugh cause they're just so happy.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 12:03 PM

JF... ur an intelligent guy whos got some knowledge about poker and how to play... i enjoy reading your posts... in saying this this could be one of the dumbest things i've ever read in my entire life.. no offense... i understand binges and the things that come to mind during these said binges.. i think u need some sleep bro..

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and then cheetos and hand jobs will rain down from heaven!!!
nice very nice... almost urinated all over my desk... but i made it to the trash can...

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 12:04 PM

ghoti7four said:

ooh ooh and everytime there is a four in your hand and the board comes down Kh, 7(of any suit), 10c, 6 and another 6 you win!!! and then cheetos and hand jobs will rain down from heaven!!! and then you get to wear the special hat that says I BIG POKER SMART MAN!!!! and a T-Shirt that says HANDRANKINGS FOR DUMB I PLAY FEEL GOOD POKER!!! and then magical monkeys can burn books based on probability in the center of the table and every one will have a good laugh cause they're just so happy.
lol

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 12:07 PM

Hey, while we're at it. Wraparound straights for everyone. Because today I had AK and the flop came 234, and I don't think that is fair!Woo hoo!

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 12:38 PM

You guys may all be laughing now but I will be the one laughing all the way to the bank when the poker gods sent me a check for $1 MILLION DOLLARS. I mean.... $100.... BILLION....DOLLARS.DaVinci, Copernicus, Einstein...all were said to be morons. I don't mind being lumped in with those guys.Thanks for the compliments, guys.-J

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 01:53 PM

i think your poll says it allyou obviously don't understand the concept that you have to lose to suckouts in order to make money. If you don't want 24 to call you down when you have AK and hit 2 pair on the flop, your an idiot. If 24 never hit for them, they'd stop playing it and you wouldn't be getting paid off ever. If weaker hands never called down your stronger hands, you'd never get paid off. It's the same as everybody playing nothing but Aces and Kings, everybody would lose money to the rake in the end if that were the case.Explaining things to you is like explaining things to a child, you have to tell them repeatedly No, No and No and they still don't listen. You obviously have your own opinion which can't be changed, I mean when do you ever feel your wrong?

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 02:02 PM

ahem, who said Da Vinci was a moron? and Copernicus? and even (foregoing the fact that he did poorly in some subjects in school) Einstein who said he was a moron??? when??? what were their names?? *a note, the fact that in protecting their hold on their own political supremacy the Catholic Church had to disagree with certain of Galileo's findings and the overarching acceptance of Kepler's medieval model of the concentric universe aside--only a dummy would have called Copernicus a moron.God you're smart.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 02:44 PM

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You guys may all be laughing now but I will be the one laughing all the way to the bank when the poker gods sent me a check for $1 MILLION DOLLARS. I mean.... $100.... BILLION....DOLLARS.-J
Hey man, DO NOT try to muscle in in my mega-million dollar "one suited card in the hole flush (four suited cards come up on the flop/turn/river) loses to any two suited cards in the hole flush" scheme - I MEAN IT!I'm also working on a "one card in the hole straight loses to any two cards in the hole straight" idea. (Unless it's a full moon, then one-eyed jacks and two's are wild and ...)There is a sound mathematical basis for the way hands are ranked.I agree with the others, I'd LOVE to have that clown in my game.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 02:44 PM

JFarrell20 said:

Protect the quality players so we don't have people like Varkonyi winning the d.amn WSOP.
Quality players don't need protection, they win despite occasionally taking bad beats. The reason the "logic" of your position isn't getting much respect is because disguised bad beat stories aren't a particularly logical basis for rule changes.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 03:47 PM

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Explaining things to you is like explaining things to a child, you have to tell them repeatedly No, No and No and they still don't listen. You obviously have your own opinion which can't be changed, I mean when do you ever feel your wrong?
One time I felt like the second wisest man in all the land. I found out I was wrong.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 03:48 PM

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ahem, who said Da Vinci was a moron? and Copernicus? and even (foregoing the fact that he did poorly in some subjects in school) Einstein who said he was a moron??? when??? what were their names?? *a note, the fact that in protecting their hold on their own political supremacy the Catholic Church had to disagree with certain of Galileo's findings and the overarching acceptance of Kepler's medieval model of the concentric universe aside--only a dummy would have called Copernicus a moron.God you're smart.
God, you're a nerd.




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