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[gobears]

Limit hold-em, you have QQ on the button. EP raises, MP re-raises, CO caps. You are new to the game and have no read on any of these players. What would you do?As a follow-on question, what would be the worst hand that you would call pre-flop if the betting was capped in front of you if you were on the button, SB, or BB?

[Smasharoo]

Call the 4 cold.Really. You're probably pretty safe folding to a flopped A or K unless the pot is laying you 22 to 1.

[gregdon8]

I would fold the queens here. You are giving yourself little chance to improve on the flop, and all of that preflop action is going to result in a ton of post flop action as well. With that many people in fron of you betting and raising it will be hard for you to determine when and if you have the best hand. I would assume at least an ace and a king in front of you as well as prob at least one pocket pair with all of the action. How do you know it is not KK,AA. I would just fold here and wait for a better spot. Also most likely someone say with AK, will probably stay around to at least fourth street with the pot odds. I personally do not like hands like JJ, QQ, in limit holdem, especially lower limit games. This sounds crazy but I would rather hold something like 89s in that scenario, as all of the bets in the pot and four players playing makes the math right to draw to your flush and str8's if hit, situational again of course. But with the QQ especially since you dodnt know the table I would fold and pick up some information for the next time a situation like that presents itself at that table

[Smasharoo]

I would fold the queens here. You are giving yourself little chance to improve on the flop, and all of that preflop action is going to result in a ton of post flop action as well.Yeah, that's horrible when you have the third best possible starting hand.Fold here if you hate money.

[bluff2much]

Definately fold.....then watch flop come QtQ.....lol

[NormanHaupt]

Smasharoo said:

I would fold the queens here. You are giving yourself little chance to improve on the flop, and all of that preflop action is going to result in a ton of post flop action as well.Yeah, that's horrible when you have the third best possible starting hand.Fold here if you hate money.

What if someone has AK? AJ? Maybe QJ suited?Some nutsos will raise like a maniac anyway. QQ is one of those hands you cap anyway. So cap it, and hope for no K or A.*EDIT* Addon: That is.. I agree with Smash- lol

[KDawgCometh]

gregdon8 said:

I would fold the queens here. You are giving yourself little chance to improve on the flop, and all of that preflop action is going to result in a ton of post flop action as well. With that many people in fron of you betting and raising it will be hard for you to determine when and if you have the best hand. I would assume at least an ace and a king in front of you as well as prob at least one pocket pair with all of the action. How do you know it is not KK,AA. I would just fold here and wait for a better spot. Also most likely someone say with AK, will probably stay around to at least fourth street with the pot odds. I personally do not like hands like JJ, QQ, in limit holdem, especially lower limit games. This sounds crazy but I would rather hold something like 89s in that scenario, as all of the bets in the pot and four players playing makes the math right to draw to your flush and str8's if hit, situational again of course. But with the QQ especially since you dodnt know the table I would fold and pick up some information for the next time a situation like that presents itself at that table

why on earth would you fold the third best hand PF in a limit game, even if it is capped beofre you. You'd be surprised what people would raise with. Lets say the first riaser has 1010(many will raise with this hand and needless to say you have them dominated), the three bettor has AQ(another likely hand which you have dominated) and the capper has AKs(of which you are still the favorite. Now the flop comes low cards, wouldn't you look like a dummy by folding PF with QQ. People will iase with hands as weak as QJo or even 77. This would be a fatal mistake. In a game the likelyhood of AA or KK being out there when you have QQ is very small so that you will still show a profit over the long run by calling here. This is limit so there aren't "better spots" to pick call the cap and if an A or a K comes then throw it away

[Smasharoo]

If you're playing in a game where your opponents will only cap with AA or KK....find a new game

[akishore]

two words: implied odds.in the worst possible case, AA and KK are out there. you STILL have odds to see if you can flop trip queens. this is based not just on the number of people in the pot, but by the fact that if you hit on the flop, you're getting massive action to the river.assuming you call, if the flop comes AKx, it's an easy fold. so what, you lost two big bets to great pot+implied odds. in the worst case, you pay off AA or KK, so what. the chances of that happening are slim, and in the long run, playing QQ in this situation is definitely +EV.if low cards flop, i would still play it cautiously to the river. even if it was capped before me on a flop of 2-6-T, i would still call. if the turn came 4, for example, and it was capped again, i would still call. if the river came 9, for example, and it was capped again, i would still call.you have a good chance of winning the pot in that kind of case, and the pot is way too big to fold an overpair. i might be wrong in calling past the flop, but with a chance to win such a monstrous pot, i wouldn't mind calling.aseem