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#1 econ_tim

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 08:25 PM

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: econ_tim is BB with A:club:, Q:diamond:. MP posts a blind of $2. UTG calls, MP (poster) checks, 2 folds, SB completes, econ_tim checks.reads are that UTG is a total calling station and SB is very loose preflop.

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 09:09 PM

I don't like it, you need to raise this for value/to possibly push poster out of the pot.I don't think I understand this one, why did you decide to check?

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 10:53 PM

I raise for value. You don't HAVE to bet the flop OOP if you miss, and it's a connected/suited flop.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:05 PM

anyone else want to hate my weak play?this hand follows advice in HEPFAP, which seems to contradict SSHE. i once read a thread where Mason Malmuth tries to reconcile the two. i'll throw up a link later if i get motivated.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:11 PM

Guests suck.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 05:01 PM

you aren't playing advanced players.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 05:05 PM

Actuary said:

you aren't playing advanced players.


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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:24 PM

Actuary said:

you aren't playing advanced players.
OK. Guess you aren't interested in having a real poker discussion.Me raising preflop probably won't cause anyone to make an incorrect decision. Anything they limped with is worth a call getting 5 to 1 or more. This will also make it correct to call with any reasonable hand postflop.By checking preflop, I make it more likely that opponents will make a mistake postflop, thus winning me Ultimate Sklansky Points.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:30 PM

econ_tim said:

Actuary said:

you aren't playing advanced players.
OK. Guess you aren't interested in having a real poker discussion.Me raising preflop probably won't cause anyone to make an incorrect decision. Anything they limped with is worth a call getting 5 to 1 or more. This will also make it correct to call with any reasonable hand postflop.By checking preflop, I make it more likely that opponents will make a mistake postflop, thus winning me Ultimate Sklansky Points.
While this is true, you are losing value by not raising preflop, are we not? Don't we want to push our equity edge when we have it?- Zach

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:41 PM

econ_tim said:

Actuary said:

you aren't playing advanced players.
OK. Guess you aren't interested in having a real poker discussion.Me raising preflop probably won't cause anyone to make an incorrect decision. Anything they limped with is worth a call getting 5 to 1 or more. This will also make it correct to call with any reasonable hand postflop.By checking preflop, I make it more likely that opponents will make a mistake postflop, thus winning me Ultimate Sklansky Points.
You're opponents may or may not make a mistake postflop. However, you're definitely making a mistake preflop by not putting more money in the pot when you're almost certainly favored. Even if they all make mistakes and call when they're behind on the flop, you'll only bringing the pot to the size that you could have gotten it to preflop if you'd just raised. I see no advantage to checking in a four-way pot here.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:43 PM

You get 3 extra SB immediately pre-flop by raising with what is likely the best hand.I don't think you can make that up on a regular basis enough for checking to be more profitable than betting pre-flop.Edited for Clarity.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:46 PM

AlphaOmega said:

You get 3 extra SB immediately pre-flop.
No I don't.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:50 PM

econ_tim said:

AlphaOmega said:

You get 3 extra SB immediately pre-flop.
No I don't.
No?

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:57 PM

econ_tim said:

AlphaOmega said:

You get 3 extra SB immediately pre-flop.
No I don't.
Are you suggesting that they will limp/fold?Or are we disagreeing about something silly?

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 10:08 PM

econ_tim said:

Actuary said:

you aren't playing advanced players.
OK. Guess you aren't interested in having a real poker discussion.
put the pipe down.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 10:39 PM

how can you not raise here in a 6max game. From your posts you seem better, but this is nothing short of horrible.How do you make money playing limit holdem- finding fishies.Why do you like fishies- because they play crap that is less likely to win then the hands you play.How do you make money from this? Raise your premium holdings, and punish them, and then thank them for making it so easy.This isnt even remotely close to a borderline decision. With 3 other players in, im raising worse hands than AQ out of the BB.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 11:55 PM

AlphaOmega said:

econ_tim said:

AlphaOmega said:

You get 3 extra SB immediately pre-flop.
No I don't.
Are you suggesting that they will limp/fold?Or are we disagreeing about something silly?
the pot will probably grow by 3SB, but i don't get to add 3SB to my stack just because i make this raise

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 03:06 AM

econ_tim said:

Actuary said:

you aren't playing advanced players.
OK. Guess you aren't interested in having a real poker discussion.Me raising preflop probably won't cause anyone to make an incorrect decision. Anything they limped with is worth a call getting 5 to 1 or more. This will also make it correct to call with any reasonable hand postflop.By checking preflop, I make it more likely that opponents will make a mistake postflop, thus winning me Ultimate Sklansky Points.
I don't think it's that interesting a discussion. AK is an easy raise. AT is an easy check. AJ is somewhat borderline, probably a check. AQ is somewhat borderline, probably a raise.The fact is that your opponents are limping in with garbage (especially the sb and poster). If you flop a pair, you will probalby win. The hand is not that difficult to play agianst these seemingly passive players. Exploit your edge now, cuz it's not really costing you anything postflop.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 04:20 AM

screech said:

econ_tim said:

Actuary said:

you aren't playing advanced players.
OK. Guess you aren't interested in having a real poker discussion.Me raising preflop probably won't cause anyone to make an incorrect decision. Anything they limped with is worth a call getting 5 to 1 or more. This will also make it correct to call with any reasonable hand postflop.By checking preflop, I make it more likely that opponents will make a mistake postflop, thus winning me Ultimate Sklansky Points.
I don't think it's that interesting a discussion. AK is an easy raise. AT is an easy check. AJ is somewhat borderline, probably a check. AQ is somewhat borderline, probably a raise.The fact is that your opponents are limping in with garbage (especially the sb and poster). If you flop a pair, you will probalby win. The hand is not that difficult to play agianst these seemingly passive players. Exploit your edge now, cuz it's not really costing you anything postflop.
Why speak with authority when you are wrong?

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 06:40 AM

econ_tim said:

AlphaOmega said:

econ_tim said:

AlphaOmega said:

You get 3 extra SB immediately pre-flop.
No I don't.
Are you suggesting that they will limp/fold?Or are we disagreeing about something silly?
the pot will probably grow by 3SB, but i don't get to add 3SB to my stack just because i make this raise
So, the latter?My point was that we add 3 SB to the pot, not necessarily to us, but mostly to us because our hand figures to be the best going in pre-flop.




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