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[koa]

NLH live tourney- Ok Im in the bb with QT of spades blinds are 50 /100 the cut off raises to 300 everyone folds and I call. Flop comes down 3 9 7 with two spades for two over cards and a flush draw. I check and he bets out 300 I smell weakness and like my draw and raise to 1200 leaving me with 1500. He thinks about for a little while and bam goes all in and he practically covers me. I was expecting a fold and the pot to come flying my way, now all of sudden I had my tourney at stake. Before I started to really think of what he had I thought was it even worth it to fold even if my only outs are spades baring he doesnt have the AK of spades ( I actually think he would of bet stronger on flop if he had that flush draw). I figured that with the pot at 4500 and it costing me 1500 to draw that even if he has trips I getting close to correct odds and even if I'm not the implieds are this I thought:- at least thousand more because if I win this pot I would be able steal blinds. - the other implied odd is that I believe that if I call and win here I would have a huge stack for our table and would cruise to the final table. Now if I fold I'll be back to where I started and would most likely end up have to beat the blinds as they increase and go all in with any decent hand in position, that thought bored me. To me this pot was the difference between cruises to the money or hoping I win a coin flop later. I decided to call and he flipped over trip 3's. I thought damn that not I wanted but was prepared to be dog like if I needed to. Then bam I got lucky and my spade came. There was discussion mumbled around the table as whether I was getting the right odds. Most didn't feel I did, but I feel did because I was getting the biggest implied odds I felt if I win this pot I will have great chance at winning the tourney. What do you think?I ended up making a deal when we got down to the last three.

[Swift_Psycho]

koa said:

NLH live tourney- Ok Im in the bb with QT of spades blinds are 50 /100 the cut off raises to 300 everyone folds and I call. Flop comes down 3 9 7 with two spades for two over cards and a flush draw. I check and he bets out 300 I smell weakness and like my draw and raise to 1200 leaving me with 1500. He thinks about for a little while and bam goes all in and he practically covers me. I was expecting a fold and the pot to come flying my way, now all of sudden I had my tourney at stake. Before I started to really think of what he had I thought was it even worth it to fold even if my only outs are spades baring he doesnt have the AK of spades ( I actually think he would of bet stronger on flop if he had that flush draw). I figured that with the pot at 4500 and it costing me 1500 to draw that even if he has trips I getting close to correct odds and even if I'm not the implieds are this I thought:- at least thousand more because if I win this pot I would be able steal blinds.  - the other implied odd is that I believe that if I call and win here I would have a huge stack for our table and would cruise to the final table. Now if I fold I'll be back to where I started and would most likely end up have to beat the blinds as they increase and go all in with any decent hand in position, that thought bored me. To me this pot was the difference between cruises to the money or hoping I win a coin flop later. I decided to call and he flipped over trip 3's. I thought damn that not I wanted but was prepared to be dog like if I needed to. Then bam I got lucky and my spade came. There was discussion mumbled around the table as whether I was getting the right odds. Most didn't feel I did, but I feel did because I was getting the biggest implied odds I felt if I win this pot I will have great chance at winning the tourney.  What do you think?I ended up making a deal when we got down to the last three.

Personally, after committing that many chips to the pot, I ain't laying it down. You made the right call. However, I think you are a little foggy on what exactly implied odds are. Implied odds are the money you will make later in the hand making a call that may currently be incorrect. Say the cards were the same, and both your stacks are 15,000 and you have to call 1500 , but the pot is only 2000. Currently, the call you would be making would be horrendous, but if you hit, you feel you would likely win all of his chips. I could go into further detail with odds and stuff, but I think you understand what I mean. On that hand you played, you weren't getting any implied odds at all. The guy was all in, there wasn't any more to win from him. The stuff you are referring to wasn't implied odds, it's just tournament strategy thinking. Maybe there is a term for it, but implied odds is something completely different. That's all I have to say for now, again though, you made the right call. Nice job on the top three finish.

[The Ace of Jades]

Almost the same thing happened to me this weekend while playing a live tourney. I got pocket fours and flopped one. Luckily the guy who would have made the flush folded and I got called by a moron with nothing and a kid with a pair of jacks. I trippled up and busted out the two that called me within a couple of hands and went to the final table of five, we didn't have room for all nine of us at one table, with a commanding chip lead of about 170 and ended up winning.Also pissed one of the guys who lived there off by calling him all in everytime everyone folded to him and he limped in. "I'm gonna put you all in" (only about 30 chips, if that, and I kept getting decent hands at the least) "I'm not gonna call" he would say through clenched teeth.Nothing feels better then taking money from kids who thought they were better then you in highschool, and then they invite you back.*note- these kids also said "I swear to god I'm gonna be in the World Series of Poker when I turn 21"