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[chappy3]

Alright, i am sitting about tied for the chip lead with the villain, with about 55,000. The blinds are 750/1500. I raise UTG with K Q , to 3800.

It is folded to the SB(villian), he calls along with the BB (she is about 38,000). Flop is Q 6 6 .

Checked to me i bet 14,200, into a 11,000 pot (thought about an all in here, i believe this would have been the best action) SB goes all in, which leaves me with 2,000 chips, if i call.

This guy had been a pretty good player, and i knew that he knew i didn't have a 6. I didn't put him on a 6, he wouldn't have called my raise with a 6 in his hand, the way he had been playing.

On the flop here what is your play? Sorry for the rambling and no converter. Any thoughts?

[gobears]

Either AQ or the nut flush draw would be my guess. You bet more than the pot which should have priced out the flush draw but players fall in love with their flush draws.

You still have 40K if you fold. I think a long time and fold.

[copernicus]

Is this a full table or close to it?

If so, fold preflop. KQ is trap hand OOP.

[chappy3]

Is this a full table or close to it?

If so, fold preflop. KQ is trap hand OOP.

I know, but this table was sqeaky tight. 9 handed.

[chappy3]

i am going to wait and see if i get anymore responses. Then i will tell the rest of the hand. Probably not hard to figure it out.... :roll:

[copernicus]

Is this a full table or close to it?

If so, fold preflop. KQ is trap hand OOP.

I know, but this table was sqeaky tight. 9 handed.

If its that tight a table then isnt your flop bet too big? What can call you that doesnt have you beaten, and also would have called an UTG raise preflop?

[chappy3]

Is this a full table or close to it?

If so, fold preflop. KQ is trap hand OOP.

I know, but this table was sqeaky tight. 9 handed.

If its that tight a table then isnt your flop bet too big? What can call you that doesnt have you beaten, and also would have called an UTG raise preflop?

Yeah, the flop bet might have been to big. What i wanted to show, was that i couldn't be pushed off my hand and that i was showing strength. Guess it didn't work that way. I think a PP would have called my preflop raise, i put him on something like 77 or a small PP. Anyway, he went all in on a check, reraise all in. I thought forever and called thinking i was ahead. He had 55 and caught a 5 on the river. Just really needed to vent a little.

I guess i should have 1. folded preflop 2. gone all in on the flop or 3. fold and still have 37k to fight with, but i wanted to go for the win.

[copernicus]

If hes calling an UTG raise with 55, it isnt that tight a table!

I dont think all in on the flop is any better than your bet. If anything a standard continuation bet would make more sense. then you arent pot committed if you get played back at.

[chappy3]

If hes calling an UTG raise with 55, it isnt that tight a table!

I dont think all in on the flop is any better than your bet. If anything a standard continuation bet would make more sense. then you arent pot committed if you get played back at.

I am not saying every person sitting at the table was a rock, i am just saying in general it was tight, you know people folding all around to the button sometimes 2-3 hands in a row, someone making a raise and everyone folding...like that. I began the hand thinking that if i raise there i probably win the hand outright, because i had a pretty tight table image.

I don't blame his call preflop either, it was only %5 of his stack. He's trying to flop a set and take my whole stack. His flop play i think is bad, but he is still putting me to the test since he was in the SB and could have got lucky with a 6.

Do you think he calls if i go all in after his check?

Anyways, i SHOULD have just folded preflop. Thats the play w/ KQ off in first position. :evil:

[chappy3]

Who is that picture of copernicus?

oh yeah and if GreenPP from party poker reads this...i hate u :wink:

[copernicus]

[quote="chappy3"][quote=copernicus]
I don't blame his call preflop either, it was only %5 of his stack. He's trying to flop a set and take my whole stack. His flop play i think is bad, but he is still putting me to the test since he was in the SB and could have got lucky with a 6.

Do you think he calls if i go all in after his check?

:[/quote]


If he was calling to flop a set he wouldve folded! His preflop play was bad, his flop play was bad. I think he was bad enough to call a push if he could call that overbet.

[chappy3]

[quote="copernicus"][quote=chappy3][quote=copernicus]
I don't blame his call preflop either, it was only %5 of his stack. He's trying to flop a set and take my whole stack. His flop play i think is bad, but he is still putting me to the test since he was in the SB and could have got lucky with a 6.

Do you think he calls if i go all in after his check?

:[/quote]


If he was calling to flop a set he wouldve folded! His preflop play was bad, his flop play was bad. I think he was bad enough to call a push if he could call that overbet.[/quote]

I'd like to bump this, want some other opinions. Don't think you get tournament poker :wink:

[gobears]

Who is that picture of copernicus?

The beautiful Jennifer Connelly

[copernicus]

[quote="chappy3"][quote=copernicus][quote=chappy3][quote=copernicus]
I don't blame his call preflop either, it was only %5 of his stack. He's trying to flop a set and take my whole stack. His flop play i think is bad, but he is still putting me to the test since he was in the SB and could have got lucky with a 6.

Do you think he calls if i go all in after his check?

:[/quote]


If he was calling to flop a set he wouldve folded! His preflop play was bad, his flop play was bad. I think he was bad enough to call a push if he could call that overbet.[/quote]

I'd like to bump this, want some other opinions. Don't think you get tournament poker :wink:[/quote]


lol, ok.

[chappy3]

The reason i say that is because of your thoughts about his preflop play.

Do you think it is "bad poker" or -EV to call %5 of your stack to try and bust another player, late in a MTT?

[Wingmaster05]

You gave him the chance to call with a six, IMO, with the low bet preflop. If he/she is a good player, just a call of the overbet is obviously fishy, so they either have queens, flush draw or the six. Why the over bet?

Nothing plays unless it has you (baring QJ or the flush draw, but the flush draw has plenty of outs)

[Crazy Cypriot]

Ok here are my thoughts:

Firstly, i normally dont suggest raising with KQ in that spot unless you have a monster stack, a very tight image, or the table is really rocky.

Moving on from there, usually in a three handed pot , u re more ready to muck your hand than in a HU pot.

I dont really like the overbet on the flop, but i understand it cos of the 3-way pot and the flush draw on board. However, u dont want to build a huge pot with the specific hand. Therefore, i` d prefer a half pot bet.

Now after the check raise in the specific instance on the pot, you try to specify the range of hads you are up against. Here is my list taking into consideration he is a good player!

AQ, AA, Ax flush draw, 6x , KK, QQ, JJ-99

Against this range of hand, u re usally a big dog, only a very small favourite over the flush draw, and a big favourite over the underpair. In the specific situation, with your big raise on flop, well its just depends on your playing style.

If your an aggresive player that outperforms with a big stack, or your in an aggressive mood go ahead and make a gambling call.
If you can make the lay down and wait for a better spot, which will probably arise , you have a good enough stack to do so.

My personal opinion, and my decision from the comfortable seat i am now, would be to fold i guess , but IF AND ONLY IF, i will feel good for my decision and that would not influence my game. Many times we say we are ok with a decision but in fact we are not. If you should make this lay down, then you should also avoid a coinflip in the next hand, or as long as your stack lets you to

[copernicus]

The reason i say that is because of your thoughts about his preflop play.

Do you think it is "bad poker" or -EV to call %5 of your stack to try and bust another player, late in a MTT?

When the other chip leader is still in the hand and the player you are trying to bust has 3/4 of your stack and you are OOP? Yes, I know its -EV.

[chappy3]

The reason i say that is because of your thoughts about his preflop play.

Do you think it is "bad poker" or -EV to call %5 of your stack to try and bust another player, late in a MTT?

When the other chip leader is still in the hand and the player you are trying to bust has 3/4 of your stack and you are OOP? Yes, I know its -EV.

Alright, whatever. We can agree to disagree, i don't think his preflop play was bad. To me position doesn't matter, if you were trying to flop a set.

[Hobbes]

Don't think you get tournament poker :wink:

This amuses me.

And Coper, this needs to be your new avatar...

The beautiful Jennifer Connelly

Just saying...