benhoug 0 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 NL Hold 'Em .25/.50 blinds.Me Big Blind: $65Villian UTG: $47Villian 2 MP: $170UTG min-raises to $1, MP calls, folds to me and I put in the extra .50 w/ J. , 8 . ($3.25 in pot).Flop: 10 9 5 . This was obviously about the best flop I could hope for.I bet $2, UTG raises to $5, MP calls, I re-raise to $17, UTG moves in, MP folds and I call.Does everyone else play it this aggressively???What did the other two players have??? Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 NL Hold 'Em .25/.50 blinds.Me Big Blind: $65Villian UTG: $47Villian 2 MP: $170UTG min-raises to $1, MP calls, folds to me and I put in the extra .50 w/ J. , 8 . ($3.25 in pot).Flop: 10 9 5 . This was obviously about the best flop I could hope for.I bet $2, UTG raises to $5, MP calls, I re-raise to $17, UTG moves in, MP folds and I call.Does everyone else play it this aggressively???Yes, I do.What did the other two players have???It's the beauty of a big draw is that we're in decent shape regardless of their holdings. I'll say UTG has AA and MP had ATs. Link to post Share on other sites
jimmybaker04 0 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 NL Hold 'Em .25/.50 blinds.Me Big Blind: $65Villian UTG: $47Villian 2 MP: $170UTG min-raises to $1, MP calls, folds to me and I put in the extra .50 w/ J. , 8 . ($3.25 in pot).Flop: 10 9 5 . This was obviously about the best flop I could hope for.I bet $2, UTG raises to $5, MP calls, I re-raise to $17, UTG moves in, MP folds and I call.Does everyone else play it this aggressively???What did the other two players have???I have no problem playing it that aggressively. The only hand we would really like to not see UTG flip over is KcQc which would put as at about a 2.5-1 dog, very bad. AcQc and QxQc would also put in about 2-1 behind situations. Sets, Bigger club draws are also going to put us behind. However, there are so many hands which are "strong" that we are a very slight favorite over. For instance we are actually a slight favorite over AA or KK.Here is something to think of. There is no hand out there that could move all in here that you would be a substantial favorite over. However there are a couple where you are a substantial dog. Pushing all in here could be a nice play, but we are just calling an all-in. This is kind of like calling an all-in preflop with AK, except there is no chance to see AQ, AJ, or KQ because there is no hand that he will turn over where you are a strong favorite. I think we have to suck it up and make the call because we have already committed ourselves to this pot, but we have reduced ourselves from poker players to gamblers.As for what they had I would guess Q 10 MP and AcKc for UTG, perhaps Ac5c. Link to post Share on other sites
jimmybaker04 0 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 NL Hold 'Em .25/.50 blinds.Me Big Blind: $65Villian UTG: $47Villian 2 MP: $170UTG min-raises to $1, MP calls, folds to me and I put in the extra .50 w/ J. , 8 . ($3.25 in pot).Flop: 10 9 5 . This was obviously about the best flop I could hope for.I bet $2, UTG raises to $5, MP calls, I re-raise to $17, UTG moves in, MP folds and I call.Does everyone else play it this aggressively???What did the other two players have???I have no problem playing it that aggressively. The only hand we would really like to not see UTG flip over is KcQc which would put us at about a 2.5-1 dog, very bad. AcQc and QxQc would also put in about 2-1 behind situations. Sets, Bigger club draws are also going to put us behind. However, there are so many hands which are "strong" that we are a very slight favorite over. For instance we are actually a slight favorite over AA or KK.Here is something to think of. There is no hand out there that could move all in here that you would be a substantial favorite over. However there are a couple where you are a substantial dog. Pushing all in here could be a nice play, but we are just calling an all-in. This is kind of like calling an all-in preflop with AK, except there is no chance to see AQ, AJ, or KQ because there is no hand that he will turn over where you are a strong favorite. I think we have to suck it up and make the call because we have already committed ourselves to this pot, but we have reduced ourselves from poker players to gamblers.As for what they had I would guess Q 10 MP and AcKc for UTG, perhaps Ac5c. Link to post Share on other sites
sirphatticus 0 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 utg- bottom set i think, 5-5mp- i would guess... although its tough to figure, maybe a small flush draw w/ mid-bottom pair?i like the aggressiveness... Link to post Share on other sites
bcook823 0 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I like your play here. That is a flop that is likely to hit someone that is limping, and your likely to get action. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I don't mind putting my whole stack in getting 2-1 with a monstrosity of a draw. Link to post Share on other sites
vanilla icely 0 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 jesus, u shouldnt even be considering folding this one. ur getting better than 2-1 on your money, very little villain has is gonna put u at worse than 2-1 dog, even if he has a higher flush draw, u have probably around 10 outs here, if he has 2pair, A10 or a set, you're literally laughing. even a set of 5s with the 5 gives you 16 (?) clean outs (4 7s, 4 qs, 8 s) the only thing your in horrible shape against is k q , but hed have to have exactly that for it not to be worth it....love the agg with an OESFD... Link to post Share on other sites
benhoug 0 Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 Time for results.As I said MP folded and I called.Here was the board:10 9 5 I've got J 8 (for an open-ended Straight Flush Draw)UTG had A A The turn paired the 10s on the board, and the river bricked off, and UTG won a huge pot w/ two pair.MP claims he folded 55, and would've made a full house.I feel like I played the hand right, and just got a bit unlucky... Again. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Mp folded 55, or claims to have. If so what a donk.As is you played the hand well and were actually a decent favorite over his AA. Link to post Share on other sites
benhoug 0 Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 Mp folded 55, or claims to have. If so what a donk.As is you played the hand well and were actually a decent favorite over his AA.Yeah, I ran the numbers and 3-handed AA was a HUGE dog, something like 4.3% to win. The fact that he had the A hurt me a bit, but I was still a favorite over him. Link to post Share on other sites
Chaserjim 0 Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 NL Hold 'Em .25/.50 blinds.Me Big Blind: $65Villian UTG: $47Villian 2 MP: $170UTG min-raises to $1, MP calls, folds to me and I put in the extra .50 w/ J. , 8 . ($3.25 in pot).Flop: 10 9 5 . This was obviously about the best flop I could hope for.I bet $2, UTG raises to $5, MP calls, I re-raise to $17, UTG moves in, MP folds and I call.Does everyone else play it this aggressively???What did the other two players have???With an opened ended straight , a 4 to a flush and a straight flush , this is an easy all in push / call. Link to post Share on other sites
CardWarfare 4 Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Flopping big draws like these seem to give me problems in no limit. Trying not to be results-oriented, since I'm a bit late here, but I probably play this the same way.Usually, I'd be committing my stack with so many hands that I'm a favorite over. Plus, a min raise UTG p/f and a big re-raise on the flop reeks like aces in .25/.50, which puts us ahead.It's been said already, but I don't think you played this poorly at all. I do the same thing more times than not. Link to post Share on other sites
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