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[princeof56k]

This question in regards to the structure of a3/6/12 Limit Holdem table. This is the lowest limit game at the B&M casino I play at. I havent seen it online at PokerRoom (where I play) so I'm not sure if any online casinos have this type of game. The structure is such that betting before and on flop is $3. Betting on the turn is $6. And the betting on river can be either $6 or $12. If someone bets $12, and the other person wants to raise it he must raise by $12 (he cant raise $6 after a $12 bet/raise).So does this structure affect your strategy in how you would approach the game? Do you avoid raising him on the turn so you can raise him for $12 on the river? Do you fold more rivers if someone leads in with a $12? Would you use the $12 bet to try and make someone fold on the river? If your weak when the turn comes, does the threat of knowing a $12 could come on the river alter you decision? It seems that the $12 bet has the effect of altering the pot odds in a game like this. For example, it's very possible the pot might be only $24 after the turn. Now if you opponent leads in with $6, you can call for $6 and the pot is 5 times larger than your bet. But if he slams $12 out there, it takes you $12 to call and the pot is 3 times larger than your bet.I started out playing holdem with the 3/6/12 structure, and I think it may have made me gun-shy about betting on the river (since the threat of a $12 raise was out there). So when I play a more normal structure 3/6, I have to keep telling myself he can only raise me $6.And by the way, what is the Big Bet at a 3/6/12 table when calculating benchmarks. For example, you should sit down at the table with 30BB. Is 30BB $180 or $360 ($360 seems like a lot to sit down with)? If you end up for the night at $120, did you make 20BB or 10BB?

[wrto4556]

princeof56k said:

And by the way, what is the Big Bet at a 3/6/12 table when calculating benchmarks. For example, you should sit down at the table with 30BB. Is 30BB $180 or $360 ($360 seems like a lot to sit down with)? If you end up for the night at $120, did you make 20BB or 10BB?

Now that's a good question. I would assume the BB is $12...To answer your original question, I always bet the max. It's a spread limit.When you have a hand that you aren't sure is good, you shouldn't bet $6 on the river, good people will catch on to it and raise you $12 and try to make you fold....By the river the pot is big enough to were if they get you to fold 1 in 10 times they show a profit. Always be the max.PS. No fear.

[rog]

I'd say BB is $9 for benchmarking. That's the average BB you'll have to pay. A little less actually since I suspect you put more bets in on the turn than on the river on average but who knows...$9 should do the trick.rog

[Smasharoo]

The value of drawing hands goes way up because of the high implied odds of the river bet.I'd be alot more inclined to play hands like 56s in this game than in a standard structured limit game.It becomes much more difficult to protect vulnerable hands like TPTK here as well when the cost of paying for a turn raise can be recovered with a single river bet if a draw hits.It'd be imperative to raise any hand pre-flop that's likely to make vulnerable hands that won't be able to be as easily protected. I'd three-bet AQ/AJ/TT/99 in that game.It changes the game a great deal, really.

[princeof56k]

Smasharoo said:

It'd be imperative to raise any hand pre-flop that's likely to make vulnerable hands that won't be able to be as easily protected. I'd three-bet AQ/AJ/TT/99 in that game.

I want to be sure I understand this correctly. When you say AQ/AJ are you talking about AQ/AJ offsuit or suited? Would it be a bad idea to limp in general? Should hands like AT,KT,QT,JT all offsuit be raised? I'm not sure what to do about pocket 77's or 88's.I think I understand what you mean about drawing hands. I'll start playing more of the low suited connectors. I imagine the same can be said for Ax suited. I'm not sure if Kx suited gains any value in this type of game.But your right the game is different when structured like this. This was the first type of holdem I started playing, and I've noticed a big difference when playing the more typical limit game.