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[mookie99]

I have a question about the hand Daniel played against Carlos that he mentioned in his blog.

"Since Carlos said that he put me on a big draw, the correct play would have been to CALL me on the flop, rather than go all in. "

If I recall correctly the flop was 4h 5d 7h and Daniel had Ah 3h and Carlos 45.

The turn card was the Jd, so if Carlos would have flat called the flop and then jammed the turn would/should Daniel have folded?

Also, if Daniel was in Carlos' shoes and the 6h came on the turn instead of the river how would/should he have proceeded ?

Thanks !

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[TexasCoffee]

Ok, lets see if I can make this coherent and not butcher it...

Carlos put him on a "monster draw." If the object of most NLHE pots is to get off without a showdown, then the correct place to put Daniel all in (or give him the toughest decision) is to wait a card. If an obvious blank hits the turn (a card that does not obviously help Daniel), then it is “time to jam.” Now, the decision is nearly impossible for Daniel to make as there is only one more card to come off. Carlos wins the pot.

The way that Carlos played it gave Daniel two cards... All in on the turn (with a blank) gives him only one as he can not reasonably call a large bet with nothing.

[Wingmaster05]

I think daniel was in the blinds this hand, and i doubt he would check the turn.

Personally i dont know how you put someone on a "big draw" over a "good hand", but i liked raising all in here. 45 is vulnerable and daniel is no dummy; he knows your style and will play back at you with a high range of hands.

Carlos doesn't know what turns hurt him or not, and if daniel was indeed in the big blind, daniel is going to put carlos to the test.

carlos expects a...

6, 7, 8, to be harmful to his stack, but doesnt know which. What happens when one of those comes on the turn and daniel bets, say, 7500? I don'tt know how well carlos can read daniel, but if he has little confidence in it, he's better off playing back at him on the flop, IMO.

[copernicus]

I have a question about the hand Daniel played against Carlos that he mentioned in his blog.

"Since Carlos said that he put me on a big draw, the correct play would have been to CALL me on the flop, rather than go all in. "

If I recall correctly the flop was 4h 5d 7h and Daniel had Ah 3h and Carlos 45.

The turn card was the Jd, so if Carlos would have flat called the flop and then jammed the turn would/should Daniel have folded?

Also, if Daniel was in Carlos' shoes and the 6h came on the turn instead of the river how would/should he have proceeded ?

Thanks !

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I think we're missing some stack information here. The stacks/blinds can easily be such that you cant price out a 2 card draw but can price out the one card draw. Thats especially true if you have to price out a draw to both the straight and flush, because unless the blinds are tiny compared to the stacks there is no bad price against most hands.

[TexasCoffee]

Its pretty simple really. If you put him on the hearts and then figure him for some out to the str8 then you are almost behind with two cards to come. Why would you make the decision easy and go all in on the flop?

A new player may wish to up the volitility of the hand and push here but you have a much better chance of taking the pot if you wait to see the turn.

Instead of going broke or doubling up on a race... I would rather just take the nice pot that is in front of me by letting the cards narrow the odds a little for Daniel.

At any rate, this hand will probably be in an upcoming article and we can all discuss this again.

[nritchi3]

I agree that waiting for the turn is the proper play. I don't think i could make this play myself but thinking about it with Daniels input it seems to make sense.