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[RISEorFall]

FCP 10 handed

RISE is button with K K

PF: UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, RISE raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls

Flop: (10 SB) 10 8 9
BB bets, UTG calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, RISE raises, BB 3-bets, MP3 calls, RISE...


calls or caps? if i call what is my action on the turn?
if i cap and he leads what is my action?

[Actuary]

why did you raise the flop?

not saying its good or bad, just asking.

Your relative pos sux now, btw

[RISEorFall]

I figured i was ahead of a lot of things he would bet.

Is this one of those wait for a safe turn card to exploit a bigger edge hands? I suck at recognizing those kinda things while Im playing.

[AlphaOmega]

Did you kill UTG?


Capping seems good because in spite of the awful board texture I think we are ahead here better than our share of the pot indicates. We should also put in the bets because it's obvious that at least one of them is drawing.


I like capping the flop, then calling down if led into on the turn, betting if checked to. There aren't a lot of cards that can land for you to fold your hand, so I wouldn't really consider it.

[Actuary]

no, it's one of those super draw heavy boards that hits a lot of limpers/BB hands, and you're KK is is in need of some kind turns and rivers.

I don't like the flop raise, in your pos, given the other callers, especially.

I would never cap this now.

[AlphaOmega]

I figured i was ahead of a lot of things he would bet.  

Is this one of those wait for a safe turn card to exploit a bigger edge hands? I suck at recognizing those kinda things while Im playing.

Nope. That's good thinking though.


Our edge is pretty tremendous here often times to warrant a value raise on the flop. Even if a club falls on the turn, we do have a redraw, we even have gut-shot redraws when the worst cards in the deck (J Q ) hit.


We'd just be missing value because our equity - even though the board is scary - is really good on the flop.

[AlphaOmega]

no, it's one of those super draw heavy boards that hits a lot of limpers/BB hands, and you're KK is is in need of some kind turns and rivers.

I don't like the flop raise, in your pos, given the other callers, especially.

I would never cap this now.

SSHE, page 186. These hands are almost identical.

[Actuary]

no, it's one of those super draw heavy boards that hits a lot of limpers/BB hands, and you're KK is is in need of some kind turns and rivers.

I don't like the flop raise, in your pos, given the other callers, especially.

I would never cap this now.

SSHE, page 186. These hands are almost identical.

not at home.
I got a job you know!

Is that the over pair hand?
Are we 3 players from the raiser and two callers in between?
So we can't protect, that we all know.
It's a mtter of judging the equity edge here, and I don't like it. I am more at ease given a single bettor.
I don't think it's cap worthy

[RISEorFall]

SSHE, page 186.  These hands are almost identical.

I really gotta get that back from my dad. :?

[RISEorFall]

I wanted to raise to figure out if BB had something like just a naked 10 or J or if he really had a hand. With the 3-bet he either has a pair and a draw (which has us at slightly less than even money, so with the 3rd guy in the hand raising is probably correct equity wise, but it'd be close) or 2 pair. 2 pair would suck. we have some outs but were a big underdog.

i dont have SSHE in front of me, but after he 3-bets I think we know enough about his hand to stop raising.

[Mattnxtc]

i dont have SSHE in front of me, but after he 3-bets I think we know enough about his hand to stop raising.

I dont know that we necessarily can narrow his hand down yet. I think he makes this play with a lot of hands some that we are a head of at the moment ie open enders, flush draws tptk and etc...but yeah there are plenty we are behind ie 2 pair, set, oesd with a flush draw, made straight

[RISEorFall]

i dont think OESDs or flush draws are 3 betting. They will lead and then call a raise, but rarely do they 3-bet. TPTK might 3-bet here, but thats about it as far as hands that we're a good ways ahead of. everything else that would has us at even money at best.

[Actuary]

SSHE, page 186.  These hands are almost identical.

I disagree.
This board is more coordinated.
Our BDFD is not to the nuts
Aces are drawing very live

I think it's close, but I want to wait till the turn.

I can be wrong too!

[AlphaOmega]

Actuary,


Are you saying we shouldn't raise in the first place, or that we shouldn't cap?

[RISEorFall]

I don't like the flop raise, in your pos, given the other callers, especially.

he doesn't like the first raise