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[GrinderMJ]

Hi, I'm new to limit, have read a few books, bought all the software blah blah blah and have started to play 5 10. I know I am still making mistakes but after reading SSHE I feel like I have a much better understanding of the game and will soon be a winning player. Ok enough intro here are some hands that confused me, where I wasn't sure what to do, or if i made some mistakes.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GrinderMJ [Kd Kh]
swifterjet: folds
GrinderMJ: raises $5 to $10
Gidde P: raises $5 to $15
WinterMan: folds
pierom: folds
ndguerre: folds
NOTTYDREAD: folds
quickcech: calls $10
GrinderMJ: raises $5 to $20
Betting is capped
Gidde P: calls $5
quickcech: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [As 6h Qc]
quickcech: checks
GrinderMJ: bets $5
Gidde P: calls $5
quickcech: calls $5
*** TURN *** [As 6h Qc] [Jh]
quickcech: checks
GrinderMJ: checks
Gidde P: bets $10
quickcech: folds
GrinderMJ: calls $10
*** RIVER *** [As 6h Qc Jh] [4c]
GrinderMJ: checks
Gidde P: bets $10
GrinderMJ: calls $10

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GrinderMJ [Qh Ks]
quickcech has returned
GrinderMJ: calls $5
Gidde P: folds
WinterMan: folds
PaullieK: folds
TT21946: raises $5 to $10
ndguerre: folds
NOTTYDREAD: folds
WinterMan said, "quickrech will quit-watch"
swifterjet: folds
GrinderMJ: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [7c 6h 6d]
GrinderMJ: checks
TT21946: bets $5
virtruvian1 joins the table at seat #3
GrinderMJ: folds

easy fold?

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GrinderMJ [Kc Qh]
koivu18: folds
virtruvian1: calls $5
TT21946 has returned
ndguerre: folds
NOTTYDREAD: folds
quickcech: calls $5
cbs9888: folds
GrinderMJ: raises $5 to $10
Gidde P: folds
Tazz2828: folds
virtruvian1: calls $5
quickcech: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [Ad Qd 9d]
virtruvian1: checks
quickcech: bets $5
GrinderMJ: raises $5 to $10
virtruvian1: folds
quickcech: raises $5 to $15
GrinderMJ: calls $5
*** TURN *** [Ad Qd 9d] [3h]
quickcech: bets $10
GrinderMJ: folds

totally clueless how to play this.

Also, clueless on how to use the convertor

[econ_tim]

the standard line for hand 1 is bet every street until raised

so you should bet/fold the turn instead of check/calling

for hand 2, i open raise. at 5/10, i think it is raise or fold preflop.

and hand 3 looks OK.

[SashimiBoi]

Hand 1: Classic sucky situation. I almost want to just give up on the hand b/c someone has an Ace the majority of the time. BUT, to stay in the hand, betting is correct b/c they'll call w/ worse hands but check worse hands if you check to them (you'll miss bets). If you get raised, I'm out. The way this hand was played, you almost have to be beat, Ax, QQ, JJ (unlikely cuz no raise on river). Unless players are LAGs, best I can hope for is 99-TT, I'd be suprised to see KQ, KJ.

Hand 2: Raise or fold pf. But the way it wuz played, I'd probably fold flop. One could argue to peel a turn, but I'd fold.

Hand 3: I'd have to decide btwn folding flop or play it the same way you played it.

[Actuary]

hi grinder

I know you've played a lot of poker
Why are you starting at 5/10?

[Hold_Em]

the standard line for hand 1 is bet every street until raised

so you should bet/fold the turn instead of check/calling

for hand 2, i open raise.  at 5/10, i think it is raise or fold preflop.

and hand 3 looks OK.

Nothing to add. This is basically the perfect way to play it.

[GrinderMJ]

hi grinder

I know you've played a lot of poker
Why are you starting at 5/10?

Well, my bankroll can sustain as high as about 20-40 so for me the natural starting point was 5 10. i know i don't have the skills to play it yet, and will start out a loser, but my bankroll can sustain the losses. i honestly just don't have the patience to start at anything lower, would you recommend I play a few thousand hands at 2-4?

[Actuary]

would you recommend I play a few thousand hands at 2-4?

If you have 12k and no tolerance for making $12 per 100 hands, then I would not advise you to play 2/4. I'm not in pos to advise you.
I would not advise against it.

Talk to Zimmer, he skipped the small stuff, right?

It may be that you can pick up some habits at lower limits which won't serve you well.. although that may be offset by all the other experince you get, at a cheaper price.

I'd play some 6 Max at 1/2 and 3-6 though.

[GrinderMJ]

would you recommend I play a few thousand hands at 2-4?

If you have 12k and no tolerance for making $12 per 100 hands, then I would not advise you to play 2/4. I'm not in pos to advise you.
I would not advise against it.

Talk to Zimmer, he skipped the small stuff, right?

It may be that you can pick up some habits at lower limits which won't serve you well.. although that may be offset by all the other experince you get, at a cheaper price.

I'd play some 6 Max at 1/2 and 3-6 though.

do you feel that small stakes hold em is a good book for 5 10 and that i should follow the advice, or does 5 10 online play more like a mid stakes game, and small stakes hold em advice doesnt apply

[76clubs]

Hand 1:  Classic sucky situation.  I almost want to just give up on the hand b/c someone has an Ace the majority of the time.  BUT, to stay in the hand, betting is correct b/c they'll call w/ worse hands but check worse hands if you check to them (you'll miss bets).  If you get raised, I'm out.  The way this hand was played, you almost have to be beat, Ax, QQ, JJ (unlikely cuz no raise on river).  Unless players are LAGs, best I can hope for is 99-TT, I'd be suprised to see KQ, KJ.

Hand 2:  Raise or fold pf.  But the way it wuz played, I'd probably fold flop.  One could argue to peel a turn, but I'd fold.

Hand 3:  I'd have to decide btwn folding flop or play it the same way you played it.

id agree completely

[Actuary]

Grinder,

I don't play 5/10.
I'm a 2/4 guy

but I do know that SSHE applies to any game where the opponents are loose/passive and take there hands to far.

Some 5/10 plays this way, some does not.
I'm sure table selection is key.

I hear Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players is useful against solid villans.

You'll get a ton of helpp posting hands here.
It's best to post them in the Limit Forum, though.
And if you can convert them or clean them up, like you'll see other posters doing, it helps.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

All the threads that start with converted hands have a link to the converter.

You paste the hand history, pick a cool name for yourself, and convert it, and it comes out in the text code for the forums. Be sure to un-click "disable smilies" so the suit graphics come out okay.

I don't play 5-10, but I read a lot here and on 2+2. 5/10 ring is one of the toughest games to beat because there are a lot of tight, solid players. Table selection is key, and most people that are good enough to beat 5/10 try not to stay very long because it's a tough grind.

6-max is great experience because there will be a lot of blind battles. 6-max variance is way high though, so play within a 500 BB bankroll. 100 BB swings are nothing.

I would agree with the statement that 5/10 online is a lot like mid-limit games in B&M's.

[kouta43]

only thing i would like to debate is the first hand.

I think you have to bet the turn, and fold to a raise.

However, if you just get 1 smooth caller on the turn, i prefer a check/call here.

Reason: Many player will check down ace with a weak kicker, so you save yourself a bet. Also, players will make a hopeless bluff if they are checked to. Third- no ace is folding here- so the only reason to bet at the river is hoping a weaker hand will call- and i feel the above to points outweigh the advantage from my 3rd point..opinions?