pokerkid 0 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Villain is passive pf. Only bets flop when he has TP or better. Often bet/fold bluffs on turn and river w/ scare cards.Villain also had the "raise any" button clicked, indicating he has a strong hand.Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP with K:heart:, K:spade:. UTG calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls.Flop: (6.50 SB) 5:club:, 6:diamond:, 5:diamond: (3 players)BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.Turn: (7.75 BB) Q:club: (3 players)BB checks, UTG bets, Hero folds, BB folds.Final Pot: 8.75 BBI think most of you will say call down... Link to post Share on other sites
CoranMoran 0 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Euww Only bets flop when he has somethingThe key here is that there is plenty of room for him to "have something" and still be behind to your Kings.If he has 77-QQ, this is a great flop for him and he may play it this way to see where he is at.I cap the flop.I don't consider slowing down until he shows aggression after that.What are we afraid of?AA,66?--cm Link to post Share on other sites
pokerkid 0 Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 I was scared of a 5.edit: read is more specifically only bets flop when he has TP or better. Link to post Share on other sites
aim786 0 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I cap flop, and call down after that if he still bets on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I cap flop, and call down after that if he still bets on the turn.Yep I do the same.Real weak fold. Link to post Share on other sites
CoranMoran 0 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I was scared of a 5.edit: read is more specifically only bets flop when he has TP or better.Was he loose-passive preflop?Have you seen him limp from utg with hands that included a 5?Seems like an unlikely holding.And I don't think you can give it much weight... yet.Until you cap the flop and then he fires again on the turn.--cmPS: do you play poker throughout the day? Dontcha work or anything? Link to post Share on other sites
pokerkid 0 Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 I was scared of a 5.edit: read is more specifically only bets flop when he has TP or better.Was he loose-passive preflop?Have you seen him limp from utg with hands that included a 5?Seems like an unlikely holding.And I don't think you can give it much weight... yet.Until you cap the flop and then he fires again on the turn.--cmPS: do you play poker throughout the day? Dontcha work or anything?He was loose passive pf but i definately should cap and then reevaltue if he fires another on the turn.No, i make a living off playing .50/1 pretty badly... :wink: I'm a senior in highschool. I'm from mass, and we had alotta snow today so i got out of school early. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 don't do milkdrink your schoolstay in drugs.what about a flop call of the 3-bet, and turn raise? Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hmmmm...I think a flop cap, then call down, is the best way to deal with this. Position means soooooo much... and capping the flop and making him keep leading in to you does SO much more than calling the 3-bet and folding.I think you can fold if BB check/raises, too.As played, I think the turn was a pretty bad fold. How loose is he preflop? Tight/passive UTG's don't limp with many 5's. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I spotted a leak. BB checks, UTG bets, Hero folds, BB folds.------------------------ /--------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^/--------------------------------------------------/-----------------------------------------------------/------------------------------------------------------/ -------------------------------------___O____/-------------------------------- ------------/-------------------------------------------------(_)--------------------------------------- ------------/------------------------------------ -----------(_)-------------------------------------------------/--------------------------------------------(_)---------------------------------------------___________---------------------------------/--(--(-0-)-- )---__------------------------------------''''----------------------'''"---------------------------------""""""""""""""""""""""""""------------------------- Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Okay everyone... we've got a good consensus that the turn fold is bad. Let's not rub it in... and let's seek to provide constructive feedback. what about a flop call of the 3-bet, and turn raise?I can't elegantly explain my thoughts on this, but I'll try:I think that would be much worse than a flop-cap-and-call-down-plan, and here's why. Let's assume the choices are either a) flop-cap-and-call-down, or b) call 3-bet and raise turn.The only hands we're losing to are a 5, 66, or AA and all are unlikely, given preflop action or by combinations, and we're ahead of everything else. We also have outs to beat all those hands, but only 2 outs.With position, for a flop cap, the pot is bigger on the flop in A than it is in B. For the greater aggression on the flop, the pot is bigger for the turn or river. This makes our odds not as bad when drawing, the aggression will slow down AA, and we have position if he's passive (like you said) so we could check through if he checks the turn.And of course we get value when we're ahead.Basically, my complaint against B is that if we're behind, we lose more $$. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I spotted a leak.BB checks' date=' UTG bets, [b']Hero folds[/b], BB folds. ------------------------ /--------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^/--------------------------------------------------/-----------------------------------------------------/------------------------------------------------------/ -------------------------------------___O____/-------------------------------- ------------/-------------------------------------------------(_)--------------------------------------- ------------/------------------------------------ -----------(_)-------------------------------------------------/--------------------------------------------(_)---------------------------------------------___________---------------------------------/--(--(-0-)-- )---__------------------------------------''''----------------------'''"---------------------------------""""""""""""""""""""""""""-Sorry if this came off as a flame, I more or less just tried to say, "don't fold the turn." while showcasing my nack (knack?) for making masterpiece computer doodles Link to post Share on other sites
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