frustrated.

[pokerkid 0]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with J:spade:, J:club:. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Button calls.Flop: (11 SB) K:heart:, 9:diamond:, 8:spade: (3 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (7.50 BB) 4:heart: (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.River: (9.50 BB) 6:spade: (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 11.50 BBEasy call down or easy fold on the flop?

[screech 0]

It would be pretty ballsy for him to raise with a hand like AT/AQ here. The only hand I can see him raising with that you beat is TT. I think you have a fold on the flop.

[RISEorFall 0]

hey screech what about calling 1 back on the flop and folding the turn UI? Maybe I leak badly there, but getting like 14-1 (even tho I just put of those in there) I'll usually call one back.

[antistuff 0]

I dont think your good here often enough to call this down, I fold to his raise on the flop.

[Actuary 3]

we can't play wa/wb here?we're getting 3.6:1 effective.gosh I wish we had a read on Butions aggressiveness

[screech 0]

we can't play wa/wb here?we're getting 3.6:1 effective.gosh I wish we had a read on Butions aggressiveness

What does a typical player raise a pf 3-bettor with on this flop. He expects you to call down. Everyone calls down.Reads would help, but most players aren't raising pf with a hand that contains a 9 or an 8.

[screech 0]

hey screech what about calling 1 back on the flop and folding the turn UI? Maybe I leak badly there, but getting like 14-1 (even tho I just put of those in there) I'll usually call one back.

It's not a huge leak. It depends what kind of opponent you are up agianst. If you are against an aggressive player who will raise the flop with a weaker hand and fire again on the turn, the worst play you can make is to call teh flop and fold the turn UI. This is because you are relying on your set outs regardless of what villian has because he bets anyway. Against this type of opponent, it is best to either give up right away, or go to showdown. But if you're against a player who will occassionally raise the flop, and check the turn, then calling the flop bet is the way to go. You're increased equity/information when he checks behind the turn makes calling the flop a very profitable situation.

[Actuary 3]

Screech,ok, then when do we take a WA/WB line, in a situation where we don't have the A/K and an A/K flop?give me a scenario.

[screech 0]

Screech,ok, then when do we take a WA/WB line, in a situation where we don't have the A/K and an A/K flop?give me a scenario.

What's the-what's the-sce-nar-i-o.Switch the positions around in this hand.We raise OTB, get 3-bet, we call.Flop as is.BB bets, we call call call. Betting if checked to.I'm generally not a huge fan of the wa/wb line on the flop OOP. There are usually better ways to go about things. One example of an OOP scenario would be similar to that AQ hand you had. If you had KK instead, and villian capped the flop. It may be better to c/c, c/c, b/f of b/c depending on villian.