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[custom36]

This is a standard starting hand chart for 2-7 triple draw based on Daniel's section in Super System 2. If you're looking for a guide to start playing triple draw, this is for you. Ranked from best to worst.

Made hands

2-3-4-5-7
2-3-5-6-7
2-4-5-6-7
2-3-4-5-8
2-3-5-6-8
2-4-5-6-8
3-4-5-6-8
2-3-5-7-8
2-4-5-7-8
3-4-5-7-8
2-3-6-7-8
2-4-6-7-8
3-4-6-7-8
2-5-6-7-8
3-5-6-7-8

One card draws

2-3-4-8
2-3-5-8
2-4-5-8
2-3-6-8
2-4-6-8
2-5-6-8
2-3-7-8
2-4-7-8
2-5-7-8
2-6-7-8
3-4-5-8
3-4-6-8
3-5-6-8
3-4-7-8
3-5-7-8
3-6-7-8

Two card draws

2-3-4
2-3-7
2-3-5
2-4-5
2-4-7
2-5-7

Two card draws in the blinds

3-4-8
3-5-7
3-5-8
3-6-7
3-4-7
4-5-7

Three card draws

2-3
2-4
2-5
2-7

[custom36]

If there's anything you guys want to add, feel free. This is still a new section for me, but I'm getting better.

[benhoug]

The chart looks good. One thing that's not on the chart, and that many newcomers will overlook is the value of your discards. If I'm playing and I've got lots of valuable discards (2s, 3s. 4s, 5s) I'm more inclined to play a weaker hand. The principle being, If I've discarded two 2s and a 5 it's going to be very difficult for my opponent to make a real premium hand on me. Especially if I've got position I'm playing these valuable discard hands very fast.

[ahosang]

The number 2 hand is not on the list. Maybe Daniel hates it the same way Doyle hates AQ in Holdem???

[DanielNegreanu]

Actually, there are a lot of hands missed in the chart. All of the one card 7 draws, etc.

[greatwhite]

I posted my starting hand chart if you all want to check it out/make suggestions.

[XX44466XX]

Can we play Badugi?

[showstopper24]

how do you play?

[Zach6668]

how do you play?

Triple Draw.

Three draws.

Make the worst hand.

The nuts are 23457 rainbow.

[JaxxVain]

I think Badugi is played with 4 cards.

Atleast thats how I learned it, and play it.

[tuckermitchell]

I think Badugi is played with 4 cards.

Atleast thats how I learned it, and play it.

badugi is 4 cards, straights are okay but all 4 cards have to be different suits to qualify for a low hand, i.e. a234 with one of each suit is the nuts

[SloPlaySteph]

Is there anywhere to play this? sounds interesting enough to check it out.

[Zach6668]

Is there anywhere to play this? sounds interesting enough to check it out.

Uh... UB, Stars...

[Valuecall]

Here are the TD 2-7 rules per Poker Stars:
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/draw/2-7/

2-7 (Deuce to Seven) Triple Draw

2-7 (Deuce to Seven) Triple Draw is a poker game in which the low poker hand wins the pot at showdown. In other words, it is a form of "lowball". It is a "draw" game, meaning that you are dealt five cards, and may discard from zero to five of them on the draw, and receive that number of replacement cards. In Triple Draw, each player has the opportunity to draw three times, though you may "stand pat" (not discard any cards) on any or all of the draws.

In 2-7, straights and flushes count against your low hand, and aces are always high. So the best possible hand is: 7, 5, 4, 3, 2. The following 2-7 hands are ranked from least powerful (#1, which will rarely win the pot) to most powerful (#16, the nuts):

1. J, 7, 4, 3, 2 (all the same suit - a flush)
2. 8, 7, 6, 5, 4 (a straight)
3. 7, 6, 5, 4, 3 (a lower straight)
4. 5, 5, 5, 6, 3
5. 2, 2, 7, 6, 5
6. A, 9, 6, 4, 2
7. A, 8, 7, 4, 2
8. A, 5, 4, 3, 2 (not a straight - ace-high)
9. K, J, 8, 7, 4
10. T, 7, 5, 4, 3
11. T, 6, 5, 4, 3
12. T, 6, 5, 4, 2
13. 9, 7, 6, 4, 3
14. 8, 6, 4, 3, 2
15. 7, 6, 4, 3, 2
16. 7, 5, 4, 3, 2

Rules for Playing 2-7 Triple Draw

Draw games are played with blinds, just like flop games. Each player is dealt five hidden hole cards. The first player after the big blind has the option to fold, call, or raise. Action continues clockwise around the poker table until betting is complete for the round.

Once the first round of betting is complete, there is a draw. That is, each player selects which (if any) cards he wishes to discard by clicking on them. By clicking a second time on a card that you have planned to discard, you remove it from the discard set. Discarding continues around the table clockwise. When it is your turn to discard, you press the button to confirm you wish to discard the selected cards.

After the first draw, there is another round of betting, beginning with the first active player to the left of the button.

There are two more draws with a round of betting following each one, resulting in three draws total, and four rounds of betting. So the sequence of action is:

1. Five cards dealt to each player
2. Betting round #1, beginning with player to left of big blind
3. Draw #1
4. Betting round #2, beginning with player to left of button
5. Draw #2
6. Betting round #3, beginning with player to left of button
7. Draw #3
8. Betting round #4, beginning with player to left of button
9. Showdown (if necessary)

Showdown - Determining the Winner

The player with the best five-card 2-7 hand wins the pot. After the pot is awarded to the best hand, a new game of 2-7 Triple Draw is ready to be played.

If two or more hands have the same value, the pot is equally split among them. There is no rank of suit for the purposes of awarding the pot. Please remember, this is different from other forms of low or high/low poker, where an ace can be played either high or low. In 2-7, an ace is always the highest card." You are always welcome to play on our free poker tables at PokerStars, so that you can sharpen your skills before playing real money poker.

[Chamonyx]

For newcomers:

Daniel wrote the definitive guide to 2-7 in SS2. I you are looking for the quickest return on your investment in that book, the 2-7 section provides it now that Stars have it on line (UB games were too limited).

Read the chapter in SS2, play a bit and then re-read the chapter: It is very high content, so there will be many seemingly small points that you will have missed on the first read.

At a meta level, there are several similarities with O8.....brief discussin of these in Greg's blog here:

http://o8poker.livejournal.com/56029.html

[Zach6668]

Does anyone disagree that this starting hand list is incomplete, and missing some stuff, and therefore should be unpinned?