hit 1 card low end stright on river, 3 flush cards

[Actuary 3]

vilan is 34/6/2.6 60 hands, that's maniac territoryco: 24/6/0.75 100 handsboth seem reasonableParty Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP3 with J:diamond:, T:spade:. CO posts a blind of $2. 1 fold, Hero calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (6 SB) 7:diamond:, K:heart:, T:diamond: (6 players)SB bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, CO calls, Button folds.Turn: (4.50 BB) 9:spade: (3 players)SB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.River: (7.50 BB) Q:diamond: (3 players)SB checks,Hero...?b/f ?b/c?we can't check, right?my thought was to bet/fold or b/c depending where raise came from.

[vanilla icely 0]

Agreed - checking would have little value. If the sb is a maniac, it seems like he didnt like the river making the flush and 4-card straight, having lead on every street, so he'll probably fold - if he raises, call him, he looks like kings or set of 7s (although would he have raised PF with 77 and above?) to me - possibly the same straight as you, but theres no way we put him on the flush, or AJ.CO is a different matter - he's been calling the whole time, playing it like a small flush draw maybe? even if he has made his flush, i don't think he'd raise you with a flush that wasnt good enough to raise his draw on the flop or turn , especially as you seem to have woken up when the flush card hit - i think your bet could win it right here, and youll certainly be heads up, id say.So I think I b/c sb, very tempted to b/c co too, as there'll be 11.5B (math?) if you do, and I think you beat him enough here. If he raises and sb reraises, obv fold...what dou reckon?

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Given the way it played out... I think this is a very straightforward bet/call on the river. We'll get called by worse than a flush very often. I think we can * maybe* fold if CO raises... but I think b/c is better because I can see us putting an axe through the computer for KQ more than 1 in 11 times.I'm curious though... Who likes raising the turn? We are in position vs. the aggressor, and it's easily missed that we are double-gutted. We get a free showdown with the 10 if we don't improve, we price CO out if he's drawing to the flush (which he might be), and we get more value if we hit 8 straight outs, 6 of which are very clean, + two more pretty clean 10's.I really like raising the turn for free showdown, and bet/calling the river.

[Actuary 3]

TJ, I like the ideas, but SB was not dependable for a free showdown, much less not 3-beting the turn.the river was an anomaly

[pokerkid 0]

I think you butchered this one alot more than you're other hand.I thought this was a fold pf. Correct me if i'm wrong.If sb is a maniac, raise the flop.If he checks the turn, bet. If he gay-bets, i'd call.I raise the river. Maybe b/c, maybe b/f... I'll let someone else handle that question.No offense, but i think u f*cked this one up pretty badly.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Easy bet/call. Even passive players will raise you on this river if they have Jx.AlsoLimp preflop is loose.I raise the flop, i'd much rather see where i'm at in this hand.The turn call is marginal. How often are we going to have 9 clean outs? I'd guess on avg we have more like 5 is that enough to call the turn getting 5.5:1 not closing the action.

[Actuary 3]

you do call from CO wwith two broadway cards right?we have a poster, so I'm going 4 way with this at least.A raise behind would be blah, but not tragicI don't think preflop is bad.I have a dbl gutter pokerplyer on the turn.I'm pretty sure it is a clear callFlop raise sounds plausible, I considered it during hand but decided not worth it. More on that is welcomed

[pokerplayer24 0]

you do call from CO wwith two broadway cards right?we have a poster, so I'm going 4 way with this at least.A raise behind would be blah, but not tragicI don't think preflop is bad.I have a dbl gutter pokerplyer on the turn.I'm pretty sure it is a clear callFlop raise sounds plausible, I considered it during hand but decided not worth it. More on that is welcomed

You're right. Board misread on my part. Turn call very easy with the double gutter I only saw the one gutshot.I think more often then not you get yourself in trouble with hands like J10o especially when you dont have the button. Puts you in tough spots in hands like these when you flop mid pair.

[Actuary 3]

If I was weak post flop, I'd fold preflop here, tooI'd like to think I can play this for marginal +EV.sshe says call from co in tight game, can't imagine it's any different when you have a poster in co and I'm in MP3.easy preflop call unless you doubt your post flop play.