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[edpunk]

Well the other night my good friend and poker buddy (troutsmart) gave everyone an accurate depiction of what poker life is like in Utah. Sunday I talked him in a round about way to take the 2 12 hour drive through the desert to play poker in Wendover Nevada.I had a great night actually bringing home about 700 playing 2-5 not bad but the best part about the entire night was when our table hit the bad beat....... Im gonna give you a rundown of the players on the table by postion 1)Chinese guy probably 28 or so good player pretty text book had some good blind hands were he hit the flop 2) Father of two i would say clean cut probably a mormon from the mecca called Salt Sake about two hours away, Got into a couple of battles with him one inparticular we capped the flop turn and river for a split pot with j10 nut straights.3)Clean cut guy same as two calling station thats all i remeber4)45-year old i would say very nice guy would compliment good hands very polite pretty tight if he bet he usually had something.5)Old guy probably 75 had a black onyx wedding ring maybe a 50th anniversary ring or something but he was typical old guy patient and waited for the top eight hands and played them stubborn and bold. 6)Bob the guy to my right he actually had an oxygen tank and tubes he had to wear while playing i would say at least an octigenarian but he had a hard time folding the top pair. Funny thing was he was there with his 60 year old daughter who stopped by probably 20 times in the six hours I was there to pull him off the table and like the player in the 5 spot, he was stubborn as hell and wouldnt leave. He dropped probably 800 while I was there. 7) Edpunk Im not the Unibomber, but its been my thing for the past two years when Im playing I have a hoodie its my call sign lol lets just i had a good night. 8)35 year-old covered in tattoos which were really goodfrom what I recall. OH!!! he also had a girlfreind who looked like julia roberts with tattoos (if you can imagine that). 9) Scottie Ngyuen exactly talked alot, very funny, and pretty loud. Ok so heres the hand............. Its 25 with a kill, the kill being a 5 10 hand this was a kill pot hand. By the way troutsmart is standing right behind me watching the whole thing also by now you can al tell that I didnt win the hand i got dealt q7 unsuited for what 15 to me hell no. Ok so here goes... Button is on 8 in the 1)postion he raises his kill to ten 2)3)fold 4)raises to 15$ 5)calls 6)calls 7)fold his crap lol 8)calls not a good idea calling to raises cold but he was dealer guess he didnt want to loose his postion 9)folds FLOP 3cAcAs 1)checks 4)bets 5$ 5)raises to 10 6)folds 8)folds 1)folds 4)reraises to 15$5)makes it 20 caping it 4)calls TURN Ad the table gets pretty rowdy thinking of the bad beat, WEll me and troutsmart looked at each other as the two of them capped the turn we knew it was all depending on one card. We needed to see a low card on the river so someones kicker wouldn't get burnt. Well the river was a 2d they bet the river and the old man ended up just calling with the foak aces queen kicker as he flipped it over we all waited intensly to see what player 4 had sure enough he had pocket kings and 51oo bucks coming to him. The place went crazy, all the other tables coming over as if we were rockstars giving us high fives and yelling Hell Yah and all the like. I sat there looking at the two men older than myself turn into 12 year olds as excited to see Doc Hollywood for the first time (if you never have seen it wacth it and imagine you are 12 lol). It was like we were a fraternity at a hazing party or playing zumezume (a drinking game). Player 5)got 28oo and the rest of us got 390 good little present for jsut being there. As we drove the 2 12 hour drive back to utah valley it didnt seem so bad because I had 800 bucks and a bad beat story to tell all my friends.

[dominiksdad]

Its not actually a bad beat though is it?The guy with pocket Ks was ahead throughout

[troutsmart]

Its not actually a bad beat though is it? The guy with pocket Ks was ahead throughout Player 1 - A :heart:Q Player 2- K K Flop 3 A A Turn A River 2 Final Board 3 A A A 2 Therefore, after the flop Player 1 had player 2 beat all the way down. Always exciting to watch money magically appear to those who don't suspect it. Though, the elderly gentleman who held the winning hand of 4 of a kind Aces, continued about his normal business, oblivious to the extra $2500 in his pockets. BTW, he had just sat down at the table the hand before. Talk about the whole concept of being at the right place at the right time. EDPUNK has sat in on two of these on his last two trips, netting +$600 extra, while I've been a railbird. Guess I need to take a seat next time!How do you feel about bad beat tables? Personally, I'm opposed to them, as I find myself watching a dollar drop down a bucket each hand, knowing I'll likely not get my share back. It all goes to EDPUNK. lol.

[dominiksdad]

troutsmart said:

Its not actually a bad beat though is it? The guy with pocket Ks was ahead throughout Player 1 - A :heart:Q Player 2- K K Flop 3 A A Turn A River 2 Final Board 3 A A A 2 Therefore, after the flop Player 1 had player 2 beat all the way down. Always exciting to watch money magically appear to those who don't suspect it. Though, the elderly gentleman who held the winning hand of 4 of a kind Aces, continued about his normal business, oblivious to the extra $2500 in his pockets. BTW, he had just sat down at the table the hand before. Talk about the whole concept of being at the right place at the right time. EDPUNK has sat in on two of these on his last two trips, netting +$600 extra, while I've been a railbird. Guess I need to take a seat next time!How do you feel about bad beat tables? Personally, I'm opposed to them, as I find myself watching a dollar drop down a bucket each hand, knowing I'll likely not get my share back. It all goes to EDPUNK. lol.

Sorry completely misread it I thought all 4 were aces on the board - I read that both had 4 aces and the king kicker beat the queen kicker.It was a lot easier to read once you put some spaces in :wink:So how do these bad beat tables work then? All the bad-beat jackpots I have heard of previously you need to lose with at least 4 of a kind to qualify, but here it seems to have paid out on a full house. If it is any losing hand I would have expected that more people would have seen the flop!

[BSUrugby240]

I don't see how this is a bad beat, nor how "the guy with pocket K's was ahead throughout". Yes the guy with K's was ahead pre-flop, but directly after the first A was turned let alone the 2nd of the flop, he was crushed, then on the turn he was drawing dead.Or am I reading something incorrectly?

[murphy77]

Its a bad beat in the literal sense of the definition. The table payed a "bad beat jackpot" which from what I've seen is usually having Aces full of Tens lose, it doesn't matter if you get rivered or beat by runner runner, or even if your never ahead in the hand. The loser, winner, and the entire table get money for having a bad beeat happen.

[BSUrugby240]

murphy77 said:

Its a bad beat in the literal sense of the definition. The table payed a "bad beat jackpot" which from what I've seen is usually having Aces full of Tens lose, it doesn't matter if you get rivered or beat by runner runner, or even if your never ahead in the hand. The loser, winner, and the entire table get money for having a bad beeat happen.

Gotcha, I was unaware of how these tables worked. I've never played at a casino, I've always just played home games and at the local poker house in town. That makes more sense to me now.

[murphy77]

toogood said:

I agree what bad beat after the flop he was losing. He had 2 outs after the flop this is soem sort of a joke right!!! bad beat would be if the turn was a king or something--i guess but that is not a bad beat

Wow your dumb. He had Aces full of Kings beat, thats the definition of a bad beat. Just because you think a "bad beat" is when your AK doesn't hit and you go all-in during your insanely tough NL 100 game and lose to someone who hit the flop, doesn't mean that thats what a bad beat actually is.If you have say trip Aces beat by a runner runner flush then thats not a bad beat by the definition. He called it a "real bad beat" because by defiinition it is an actual bad beat.

[ArseneLupin3]

murphy77 said:

toogood said:

I agree what bad beat after the flop he was losing. He had 2 outs after the flop this is soem sort of a joke right!!! bad beat would be if the turn was a king or something--i guess but that is not a bad beat

Wow your dumb. He had Aces full of Kings beat, thats the definition of a bad beat. Just because you think a "bad beat" is when your AK doesn't hit and you go all-in during your insanely tough NL 100 game and lose to someone who hit the flop, doesn't mean that thats what a bad beat actually is.If you have say trip Aces beat by a runner runner flush then thats not a bad beat by the definition. He called it a "real bad beat" because by defiinition it is an actual bad beat.

I don't like your "Wow your dumb" comment. A bad beat is going from being really far ahead to being really far behind, especially on a later street.While something like having KK run into AA headsup in a tourney is a bad beat by your definition, when you consider it in terms of the usual poker parlance, it just doesn't qualify. While KK getting cracked by AQ technically qualifies according to both of our definitions, it still doesn't really carry much weight as far as bad beats go, especially considering it was only ahead preflop, AND it was a limit game.A bad beach is something that makes me cringe. This is hardly that.-adam

[troutsmart]

A bad beat.That's hard to define. When I think of bad beat, I think about runner-runner, like the time the original poster EDPUNK lost when his opponent was drawing to only two running 7s on the flop and hit, around a 1000-1 draw. However, in this case, it is called a "bad beat" simply because the casino offers a jackpot when Aces full or better is beat by 4 of a kind or better. The stipulation is both cards have to play, so in the case above, if a K or Q were to have hit the river, no jackpot would have been paid. The reason being that AQ hand would have lost it's kicker to a K or the casino would make him count the Q on the board for his kicker instead of the one in his hand. This explains why the table was so excited when the best card, a duece, came off on the river. So, this is a bad beat by definition of a casino in Wendover, NV. Hope that helps.

[PJ]

edpunk said:

 I sat there looking at the two men older than myself turn into 12 year olds as excited to see Doc Hollywood for the first time (if you never have seen it wacth it and imagine you are 12 lol).  

LOUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! She can drive my ambulance anytime.

[QWithATray]

troutsmart said:

A bad beat.That's hard to define.  When I think of bad beat, I think about runner-runner, like the time the original poster EDPUNK lost when his opponent was drawing to only two running 7s on the flop and hit, around a 1000-1 draw.  However, in this case, it is called a "bad beat" simply because the casino offers a jackpot when Aces full or better is beat by 4 of a kind or better.  The stipulation is both cards have to play, so in the case above, if a K or Q were to have hit the river, no jackpot would have been paid.  The reason being that AQ hand would have lost it's kicker to a K or the casino would make him count the Q on the board for his kicker instead of the one in his hand.  This explains why the table was so excited when the best card, a duece, came off on the river.  So, this is a bad beat by definition of a casino in Wendover, NV.  Hope that helps.

that's cool that it counts for the bad beat - at the casino where i play the 4 of a kind have to include a pocket pair

[r0m3o112forever]

Well, I just was playing a small game 1/2 hold game @ Hawaiian Garden Casino like 1hr and half ago. Okay, my hand was pocket K:spade:, K:club: (Cowboys) and I was the small blind, also preflop I raise the pot. Well, the flop was: J , K , J:spare:. SO I FLOP THE "BOAT OF Ks", thus I slow played the hand to the DEATH!!! By the way, the pot size was around like 20 bucks on the flop. Afterwards, the turn was J: diamond: so I figure my hand was is still good!!! Right? The river card was another J:club: and by this time it was head-ups. Nevertheless, I was thinking of myself what the heck this lady have,right? I mean all this time I pondering what the hell is she doing in this pot because it should be mines!!! Guess what hand she had? She had only A:spare:, 9:spare: as a result she MADE A RUNNING QUADS on my BOAT of Ks. When she finally showed me her hand I was at state of shock!!! :shock: The dealer was pushing the pot throw the lady and the dealer was telling me she never has seen that kind of bad beat!!!So I decide to check out the odds on Cardplayer calculator and here is my analysis of the hand. preflop was pocket Ks was 68.4% vs. As,Ps, was 31.6%. flop was Ks was 99.% vs As,9s .06%. so ya'll can tell me what kind of luck is that?