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#1 Absolute

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Posted 20 February 2005 - 11:35 PM

Playing 1-2 no limit 5 handed.Chip stack: $180A :club: 10 :club: in the small blind.UTG limpsUTG+1 folds.Button folds.I raise to 5.BB folds.UTG calls.Flop comesA :) K :) 2 :club: (Pot is $12)I bet out 12 (i like this bet here, because I think he'd play with a king, and obviously if the flush comes I am still very much involved with the A :D ), UTG raises 12 more (weird raise). I call.Turn is 5 :D (Pot is $60) Now I have top pair, good kicker (especially 5-handed) and the draw to the nuts.But I check and he immediately moves all in for about $85 more. I don't think his flop raise puts him on a flush draw. (Could he have JQ spades?) Another worry is 2 pair. But AK is the only two pair I can see here, which would make no sense since he didn't raise pre-flop. A-2 suited? K-2 suited? Doesn't make sense. If I call I am down to a little over 60 bucks.What would you do?

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 12:32 AM

i might call here maybe he suspected u were weak when u only called his minimum reraise on the flop.... also posible he limped in with A2s depending on his play style.... plus u can still possibly out draw him at the very least so what happened?????

#3 gobears

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 11:21 AM

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Playing 1-2 no limit 5 handed.Chip stack: $180A :club: 10  :club: in the small blind.UTG limpsUTG+1 folds.Button folds.I raise to 5.BB folds.UTG calls.Flop comesA  :)  K  :)  2  :club:  (Pot is $12)I bet out 12 (i like this bet here, because I think he'd play with a king, and obviously if the flush comes I am still very much involved with the A  :D ), UTG raises 12 more (weird raise). I call.Turn is 5  :D (Pot is $60)  Now I have top pair, good kicker (especially 5-handed) and the draw to the nuts.But I check and he immediately moves all in for about $85 more. I don't think his flop raise puts him on a flush draw. (Could he have JQ spades?) Another worry is 2 pair. But AK is the only two pair I can see here, which would make no sense since he didn't raise pre-flop. A-2 suited? K-2 suited? Doesn't make sense.  If I call I am down to a little over 60 bucks.What would you do?
I would fold - I'm assuming that he's ahead so you're not getting the right odds to draw. A2s seems like the most likely hand; pocket 2's or 5's seem unlikely. If he's the type that plays any two cards suited, maybe he has two spades in his hand and now has a flush.
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Posted 21 February 2005 - 12:50 PM

gobears said:

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Playing 1-2 no limit 5 handed.Chip stack: $180A :club: 10  :club: in the small blind.UTG limpsUTG+1 folds.Button folds.I raise to 5.BB folds.UTG calls.Flop comesA  :)  K  :)  2  :club:  (Pot is $12)I bet out 12 (i like this bet here, because I think he'd play with a king, and obviously if the flush comes I am still very much involved with the A  :D ), UTG raises 12 more (weird raise). I call.Turn is 5  :D (Pot is $60)  Now I have top pair, good kicker (especially 5-handed) and the draw to the nuts.But I check and he immediately moves all in for about $85 more. I don't think his flop raise puts him on a flush draw. (Could he have JQ spades?) Another worry is 2 pair. But AK is the only two pair I can see here, which would make no sense since he didn't raise pre-flop. A-2 suited? K-2 suited? Doesn't make sense.  If I call I am down to a little over 60 bucks.What would you do?
I would fold - I'm assuming that he's ahead so you're not getting the right odds to draw. A2s seems like the most likely hand; pocket 2's or 5's seem unlikely. If he's the type that plays any two cards suited, maybe he has two spades in his hand and now has a flush.
I aggree with this.But i'm the guy that pushes the turn with TPGK with the nut flush draw. I definately do not check it. This is why. Also, he could fold fearing the flush. Or, he could just call and you get a relatively cheap river card.
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#5 bluff2much

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Posted 21 February 2005 - 05:40 PM

I would think pocket two's or flush draw. If i had pocket two's I would slow down. since you din't reraise me I could put you on a flush draw. The all in bet would be to scare you off....he doesn't want a call. If i hit my flush...i'm going to charge you for it but i want to make money on it. So 60 seems like a bit much. I want you to call. Unless I want u to think that I'm trying to buy it. That would be the only reason for betting that much.I'm inclined to think he was sitting on dueces.... and was hoping u didn't make the flush. Either way....I think your beat, and I would let it go, and pick a better spot. But i suck.Jason
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Posted 22 February 2005 - 10:21 AM

Again, it is hard to say without knowing his style. I would say though that it is very possible he limped with 2's. I often like this play in no-limit, as if you hit you can often win a huge pot for a small price. If he hits the flush I dont believe he pushes in. I see him pushing in, as a move of fear, of either flush or flush draw. I agree he probably does not have AK, as most of the value in that hand is a preflop raise. It is aloso very possible that he limped with suited connectors, especially if this game was online as we all know internet players like to play xx suited. I agree with jamming the turn card so that you can either win it there or if he raises start to realize that you are probably beat. In the end I think there are just too many hands that can beat you, fold.




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