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[Actuary]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T:heart:, A:diamond:.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 7:heart:, 2:spade:, A:spade: (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J:diamond: (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, Hero folds.

MP3: 18/10/1.85 1000+ hands (he plays within these stats, so far)
UTG: 60/3/0.33 100 hands (he takes hands way too far)

Preflop, maybe I should've raised to maybe isolate the Fish, as the table was pretty tight otherwise

critique please!

[AlphaOmega]

Raise pre-flop to isolate. It also gives us a better idea of where we're at when we get 3-bet and an ace flops.

Otherwise, I like the way you played the hand. Your line is better than c/cing because you lose less money when you are behind but win more when MP3 is FOS or raising a worse hand and slows down.

Edited to add: And there's a flush draw so you are killing MP3's potential free-card play.

[screech]

I'm fine with pf. I don't mind a raise. I don't mind a call.

I think you may have folded the best hand on the turn.

What can villian reasonably have that beats you?

A7s - 2 combos
AJ - 6 combos
22/77 - 6 combos

It's unlikley he'd play a set this way on the flop. Also, he's usually raises AJo pf.

That leaves 2 pure combos of A7s. You have 6 clean outs to beat that hand.

Also, there's a good enough chance he plays AT/Axs this way to warrant a call down.

Everything up until your turn fold looks good. :-)

[Actuary]

screech,

your so jealous of me and it shows in your posts.
I'm sorry you taught me too well.


why would he not play a set like this on the flop?

I would, am I bad?

[Actuary]

Also - why the crap are you posting 2/4 hands in micro?

accrording to Screech, I make so many mistakes that it's good for newer players to see them. And they may tend to focus on micro hands more.

so you likne getting 6.5-7:1 to call down here? I think my stop-n-go takes care of the Flush Draw (usually) and his turn raise indicates "better than a T". I also think there are many river cards to dodge, maybe as many as 14 or so.

[screech]

why would he not play a set like this on the flop?
I would, am I bad?

Unless the players behind you are super loose, and will call 2 just as happily as 1, calling is the best way to play a set on the flop. You're not looking to protect your hand when your equity is around 70%.

Most players natural tendency would be to call here with a set. While his raise doesn't exclude the possibiltiy from his range, I think we have to adjust his set combos based on how he played the hand. The adjusted combos from the hand may look something like:

Set - 2
A7s - 2
Better ace - 2

Given these adjusted values for hands that beat us, it's easy to see he doesn't have to raise a weaker hand that often to warrant a calldown. In fact, if he only played AT/A9s/A8s like this 1/4 of the time, than we have an easy call down.

[Actuary]

quad post!

[Actuary]

quad post

[Actuary]

I rule!

[Actuary]

I raise a set here in his pos, for value
Lots of players to call, tend to lose them on scary turns,
I think many fold to one bet anyway with a "scary" Ace out there, while anyone with an Ace calls.
I certainly see both sides


Just another example of you trying to make me look inadequate

[CoranMoran]

If I didn't know UTG, I would be very afraid of his hand.
However, if I had your read on UTG, I would definately raise preflop.

If I had raised preflop, and then MP raised my flop and turn bets, I would fold.
But without the preflop raise, I think that MP thinks his A9 is probably good.
So then I don't know where I am at because MP doesn't know where he is really at.
And then it gets all fuzzy.

Or something like that.

Point:
When I choose not to gather the information that a preflop raise would have given me, and then I hit a pretty good piece of the flop, I usually feel committed to showing it down.

--cm

[screech]

Just another example of you trying to make me look inadequate

:shock:

[Actuary]

Coran,

I think that way too quite often.
Since I often miss those "raises for info" on the flop, I find I can c/c down with ignorant bliss!

I do think in this case, the flop and turn raises are sufficient info.
He's a 1.85 AF, raising the Turn represents a better hand too much.
Maybe I'm just results oriented.
Maybe I'm having trouble finding hands I played incorrectly to post here.
But lo and behold, Screech will show me the errors of my ways.

Eventually, when you keep winning, can you stop thinking you just get lucky and are results oriented? And just maybe, are on to something. It's like saying your AF has to be at least 2.2, or you aren't maximizing returns. If you had 100k hands at 4BB/100, they'd say play 900k more, and see.



I'm gonna jinx myself!
I'm such a clown

[Briguy]

Raise preflop.

The rest looks fine to me. Hero's turn bet is necessary in case villian was looking for a free card with a couple of spades. After the turn raise, I'm narrowing the range to sets, Aces up, and maybe AT, A9. I don't think this player limps with A9 all that often, either.

Anyone else want to 3-bet the flop? Call a cap, c/f the turn UI, or bet out on a non-spade turn if the 3-bet is called. Or am I crazy insane?

[screech]

don't think this player limps with A9 all that often, either.

Certainly if it's suited. A player with these stats seems to be playing SSHE style poker. He is probably limping with A2s.

[Actuary]

don't think this player limps with A9 all that often, either.

Certainly if it's suited. A player with these stats seems to be playing SSHE style poker. He is probably limping with A2s.

I just don't think he raises both streets with something worse than AT often enough given his stats. That, combined with a lot of bad rivers.
I'm glad you make me think. My BR would have me believe I'm infallible!

[screech]

don't think this player limps with A9 all that often, either.

Certainly if it's suited. A player with these stats seems to be playing SSHE style poker. He is probably limping with A2s.

I just don't think he raises both streets with something worse than AT often enough given his stats. That, combined with a lot of bad rivers.
I'm glad you make me think. My BR would have me believe I'm infallible!

His stats to me seem like he is a decent player, who probably reads up on forums or what not. His VPIP and pfr% looks very good. His 1.85 AF is a tad on the passive side for a TAG, but not by that much. If his AF was 2, that would probalby change your thinking on the hand, no?

Anyway, given that he seems to be a player trying to play well, it would not surprise me if he's read about free sd turn raises, and working with another made hand to charge drawing hands on the turn even if you don't figure to have the best hand all that often, and other such concepts.

Plus, as mentioned before, I bet he has a hard time on putting you on a hand that can beat A9.

[Actuary]

thank you for all the feed back fellas.
we will take it into consideration.

:-)

results coming soon, if u care.