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[dkelloway]

I know the odds against hitting your flush with one card to come is about 4-1, but say I have the nut flush draw off the flop, and theres 40 in the pot, and my only opponent bets 10, i know i'm getting good odds to call, but what if I miss, and i plan on calling on the river? How do the pot odds change. If I call another $10 to see the river, i'll be getting 7-1 from the pot ($60 from last round and another $10 from him this round) in pot, is this right?Or am I really getting 3-1 here since I bet $20 on the flop and turn to see the next cards. Is this right? ($40 in pot+$20 from him +$20 from me?)

[JSHamm]

or how about raising that flop instead of calling and put him on the defense as well as disguising your flush draw and possibly buying yourself a free card on the turn if you don't hit.

[dkelloway]

yeah, i know about that, i was just wondering about basic poker math?

[tb4au]

My understanding of pot odds is that once its in the pot you don't count it as your own money anymore...in other words your getting 7 to 1 for the river, and a definite call, if not raise.

[JSHamm]

dkelloway said:

I know the odds against hitting your flush with one card to come is about 4-1, but say I have the nut flush draw off the flop, and theres 40 in the pot, and my only opponent bets 10, i know i'm getting good odds to call, but what if I miss, and i plan on calling on the river? How do the pot odds change. If I call another $10 to see the river, i'll be getting 7-1 from the pot ($60 from last round and another $10 from him this round) in pot, is this right?Or am I really getting 3-1 here since I bet $20 on the flop and turn to see the next cards. Is this right? ($40 in pot+$20 from him +$20 from me?)

dkelloway said:

yeah, i know about that, i was just wondering about basic poker math?

well ok then....no it's not 3-1 since that $20 isn't yours anymore. You'd be calling $10 into a pot of $70 to see the river, which you have odds to do.

[NoSup4U]

Didn't read this in detail. But pot odds are: Everything out there that is winnable vs what you have to call.So if you both put in $20 preflop (pot of $40) and your opponent bets $10 to you on the flop, you are getting 5 to 1 odds. ($40 in pot, plus his $10 bet = $50, vs your $10 to call)Assuming you call, on turn pot has $60 in it. If he bets another $10 at you, you are getting 7 to 1 odds.Mark

[PimpRock]

There is basic math to support this... I may be wrong because it is late and I am tired but it is something likeEvery out you have on the turn is worth 4% (so you have 9 outs @ 4% = 36% shot)On the river every out is worth 2% (9 outs @ 2% = 18% shot)...This is just a rough guideline. There is also a stipulation that after ten outs each out it worth 2% but i wont get into that. If anyone knows the exact values work away.

[David_Nicoson]

dkelloway said:

I know the odds against hitting your flush with one card to come is about 4-1, but say I have the nut flush draw off the flop, and theres 40 in the pot, and my only opponent bets 10, i know i'm getting good odds to call, but what if I miss, and i plan on calling on the river? How do the pot odds change. If I call another $10 to see the river, i'll be getting 7-1 from the pot ($60 from last round and another $10 from him this round) in pot, is this right?

That's the most useful way to think about it, since you're making two separate decisions.

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Or am I really getting 3-1 here since I bet $20 on the flop and turn to see the next cards. Is this right? ($40 in pot+$20 from him +$20 from me?)

This is also true if you consider both cards together. And in that case we're comparing your 3:1 pot odds to your 2:1 chance of improving in two cards.I say the first is the most useful because you don't know what the price will be on the river when you're considering the flop call, unless of course it's an all-in situation.