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#1 zimmer4141

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:11 AM

Well, I think I'm done with 10/20, and am going to move up to 15/30 right now. Through 4k hands I have won at 4.3BB/100. I took a shot at 20/40 the other day, had moderate success, and found that the play was very similar to 10/20. So I'm gonna move t0 15/30 for now, drop back if I drop a large amount, and hopefully continue moving on up.Thanks to you guys for all your help in making me a better player.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:12 AM

gllook forward to seeing some hands
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:18 AM

ur amazing.wish I was in your shoes, age, etc... when online poker took off.i still would never have heard of actuarial science

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:35 AM

4k hands? ... wait for it ...... wait for it ...

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:40 AM

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4k hands? ... wait for it ...... wait for it ...
i don't have a problem with the small sample sizea lot of people losing out on potential profits by waiting for umpteen thousand hands at each limit and playing .5/1 with a 10k rollas long as you're willing to drop back down, there's no harm in moving up to the next limit when you've been beating your current game and have enough $$
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:50 AM

Due to my former MTT success, I am quite overbankrolled even for 15/30. I have been absolutely killing 5/10 for 11k hands, and 10/20 for 4k now, and have heard from Specbrad that 5/10 through 20/40 are all very similar.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:52 AM

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a lot of people losing out on potential profits by waiting for umpteen thousand hands at each limit and playing .5/1 with a 10k roll
Weren't you in that boat?Jeff

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:59 AM

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Weren't you in that boat?Jeff
hahanot quite so extreme, but yes, i'm also talking about myselfright now my problem is i'm barely playing at all, although it's because i'm busy with something else
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 12:02 PM

Kdawg gave advice in that one thread about palyeres moving up too quickly. Saying 10k hands even ,is not enough to know your true wr. Not that I agree/disagree but if Keith is reading this, maybe he can chime in with the counter-arguments to moving up.I fall into the safe category, but that's due to my conservative nature, not because I think it's best. $3200 + and playing 2/4.... BR earned thru winning, not bonus's or deposits (except $300)

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 12:10 PM

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Kdawg gave advice in that one thread about palyeres moving up too quickly. Saying 10k hands even ,is not enough to know your true wr. Not that I agree/disagree but if Keith is reading this, maybe he can chime in with the counter-arguments to moving up.I fall into the safe category, but that's due to my conservative nature, not because I think it's best. $3200 + and playing 2/4.... BR earned thru winning, not bonus's or deposits (except $300)
i don't mean to say people should move up just because they have the bankroll, but i do think they need to consider what they are giving up by staying at their current limitsit's probably important for most people to put in a lot of hands (much more than 10k) at whatever limit they choose to start atthis is just to get a certain amount of poker smarts that you can't get from reading books or making forum postsbut once you've reached a certain competency in tactics and have learned how to adjust your play vs different player types, then you are probably set to move up and win through the next two or three higher levelsone very important thing to do when moving up is to practice good table selection. i can sometimes find 2/4 six max tables that play like .5/1 tables and i'm sure there are 5/10 and 10/20 tables that play like 2/4 full ring. so you can play higher limits only when juicy tables are available until you become more comfortable with the limit and make it your home.anyway, like i said, i have been playing very little this month, but when i get back to a regular schedule, i'll try to put this thinking into practice.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 12:13 PM

Timwhat have you done with Aseem ?

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 12:16 PM

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Timwhat have you done with Aseem ?
it wasn't meit was either his girlfriend or mock triali'm supposed to see him on friday, so maybe i'll find out what's upbut i don't think he's been playing poker much at all during the past two monthsi called him the other night to tell him about a super juicy live PLO8 game (a $600 pot was split between someone with A2-no high and someone with A2-pair of tens for high) and he didn't come out. maybe he's lost the eye of the tiger.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 12:18 PM

You make some good points, Tim, and it's something I've been thinking about recently. I'm winning at 2/4 but not a rate that think is acceptable for moving up. I know part of it is a cold run of cards recently, but I also know that I donk off a good 2-5BB every 500 hands or so and that has to stop.I'm reevaluating my game based on the next 20k hands and may very well move up to 3/6 or 5/10 full full time.Jeff

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 12:58 PM

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ur amazing.wish I was in your shoes, age, etc... when online poker took off.i still would never have heard of actuarial science
Didn't Sklansky start out as an actuary?
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 01:02 PM

Usually, it's advised that you wait for 10k-15k hands before moving up. However, Zimmer has 11k hands at 5/10 and most of the higher limit games at party until, like, 30/60 (at least), play like 5/10. After 5/10, I think it's just a matter of bankroll.I have absolutely no problem with Zimmer moving up in limits (granted, I've watched him play), but I would only advise it for special cases.

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 01:15 PM

of course, I won't be "getting permission" from Doug or anyone when I move up.not that you meant it that way.i'll go broke on my own, tyvmI hear Sklansky was/is an actuary, yes

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 01:24 PM

Hey Zim,I don't know how dated this info is - I read it in Poker Essays II - but it says that a good player can make just as much at 15/30 than at 20/40, and assume less risk. This is because bad players fail to adjust to the 2/3 blind structure properly, and thus go broke more quickly.I don't know how true this is now, or in online games, but I found it kind of interesting. Maybe someone has pt stats to back this up?

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 01:34 PM

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of course, I won't be "getting permission" from Doug or anyone when I move up.not that you meant it that way.i'll go broke on my own, tyvm
:club: I didn't mean it like you had to get permission or anything. You were looking for input from Keith. Well, I'm kinda like Keith.

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 02:36 PM

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I don't know how dated this info is - I read it in Poker Essays II - but it says that a good player can make just as much at 15/30 than at 20/40, and assume less risk. This is because bad players fail to adjust to the 2/3 blind structure properly, and thus go broke more quickly.
You mean in the sense that they play too tight out of the small blind?I cant imagine it accounting for that much of a difference...

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 02:43 PM

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I don't know how dated this info is - I read it in Poker Essays II - but it says that a good player can make just as much at 15/30 than at 20/40, and assume less risk. This is because bad players fail to adjust to the 2/3 blind structure properly, and thus go broke more quickly.
You mean in the sense that they play too tight out of the small blind?I cant imagine it accounting for that much of a difference...
There are a lot more hands good players can see the flop with.




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