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[screech]

Villian is a decent player. Nothing out of line.Stats show 24/17/1.7.Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP with Q:club:, J:spade:. 1 fold, Hero calls, SB calls.Flop: (9 SB) 2:diamond:, K:heart:, Q:spade: (4 players)SB checks, BB bets, SB folds, BB calls.Turn: (6.50 BB) 6:club: (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.River: (8.50 BB) Q:heart: (3 players)What's my river line if:a) BB bets?B) BB check/raises?This may be simple. Maybe not.

[pokerplayer24]

If BB bets I raise. Would suck to be 3-bet and get shown AQ but I think you still have to raise for sure.If he checkraises i'm just calling since hes played it so passively thus far. I think more often then not here we'll be up against someone calling down with JJ-77.

[hotbacon]

pokerplayer24 said:

If BB bets I raise. Would suck to be 3-bet and get shown AQ but I think you still have to raise for sure.If he checkraises i'm just calling since hes played it so passively thus far. I think more often then not here we'll be up against someone calling down with JJ-77.

What makes you think BB is betting any of that here? Betting JJ-77 on this river is silly... The flop call is pretty thin too. Given screech's read I can see the flop call but definately not a river bet with JJ-77 from this guy.When I first saw the hand I thought this was an auto raise. But what is villain betting here? His 3-bet from the BB and passive post flop line really only add up to AQ here if he bets the riv I think. Obviously we still bet if he checks, but just call the c/rIf he bets, I actually think I'm just calling. It feels extroadinarily weak tight though.

[pokerplayer24]

hotbacon said:

pokerplayer24 said:

If BB bets I raise. Would suck to be 3-bet and get shown AQ but I think you still have to raise for sure.If he checkraises i'm just calling since hes played it so passively thus far. I think more often then not here we'll be up against someone calling down with JJ-77.

What makes you think BB is betting any of that here? Betting JJ-77 on this river is silly... The flop call is pretty thin too. Given screech's read I can see the flop call but definately not a river bet with JJ-77 from this guy.When I first saw the hand I thought this was an auto raise. But what is villain betting here? His 3-bet from the BB and passive post flop line really only add up to AQ here if he bets the riv I think. Obviously we still bet if he checks, but just call the c/rIf he bets, I actually think I'm just calling. It feels extroadinarily weak tight though.

Didnt mean JJ-77 betting the river. Should restate. The majority of the time here the river is going to go check/call. With the villain having JJ-77 or sometimes something like AJs.

[pokerplayer24]

hotbacon said:

pokerplayer24 said:

If BB bets I raise. Would suck to be 3-bet and get shown AQ but I think you still have to raise for sure.If he checkraises i'm just calling since hes played it so passively thus far. I think more often then not here we'll be up against someone calling down with JJ-77.

What makes you think BB is betting any of that here? Betting JJ-77 on this river is silly... The flop call is pretty thin too. Given screech's read I can see the flop call but definately not a river bet with JJ-77 from this guy.When I first saw the hand I thought this was an auto raise. But what is villain betting here? His 3-bet from the BB and passive post flop line really only add up to AQ here if he bets the riv I think. Obviously we still bet if he checks, but just call the c/rIf he bets, I actually think I'm just calling. It feels extroadinarily weak tight though.

Didnt mean JJ-77 betting the river. Should restate. The majority of the time here the river is going to go check/call. With the villain having JJ-77 or sometimes something like AJs.

[screech]

Pokerplayer,If villian bets, what hands is he calling a raise with?What hands is he 3-betting with that I have beat?Also,what types of hands is he c/ring this river with?

[MrNiceGuy]

screech said:

What's my river line if:a) BB bets?B) BB check/raises?

I call in both cases. In case A, I think AQ is unlikely, but I think AA, AK, or anything else he's calling a raise with is even more unlikely.In case B, this almost has to be AQ, or a strange slowplay. But I think it's a potential bluff often enough that we have to call getting 11.5-1.

[screech]

MrNiceGuy said:

screech said:

What's my river line if:a) BB bets?B) BB check/raises?

I call in both cases. In case A, I think AQ is unlikely, but I think AA, AK, or anything else he's calling a raise with is even more unlikely.In case B, this almost has to be AQ, or a strange slowplay. But I think it's a potential bluff often enough that we have to call getting 11.5-1.

I agree with B) completely. The way this hand played out, it's very unlikely he has AK or any pp besides maybe KK. If he c/r's, his most likely hand by far is AQ. Nothing else adds up besides a slowplayed KQ or KK.Like you said though, it could be a weird bluff with JJ, or even a slowplayed AA that he planned to c/r the river with regardless.Anyway, he raised and I almost timed out before I called. I was so close to folding. He had his most likley holding, AQ.As for a), I think this is right too. There's no way he plays AK/AA this way often enough for me to have a value raise. He's folding to a raise or 3-betting almost always when he bets.