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[screech]

Villian is 48/4/0.66Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with J:club:, 2:spade:. 1 fold, Hero checks.Flop: (2.40 SB) T:diamond:, T:spade:, 2:diamond: (2 players)Hero bets, MP calls.Turn: (2.20 BB) 6:heart: (2 players)Hero bets, MP calls.River: (4.20 BB) 3:spade: (2 players)River action?

[quadaces]

I think you have to just try to see a showdown. He could be slowplaying a 10 and waiting to check raise on the river since you bet out each time. He could also have some other small pair like 77 or 55. All you can really bet is a bluff.

[amarillotg]

check/fold.if you bet he will only call with some kind of weak hand that has you beat (6x, 3x or any small pp) or will fold his missed fd.

[screech]

I'm surprised by the answers so far. I thought check/fold was one of my worst options.Look at this guys stats, and remember it's 6-max.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

I'm going to make a wild guess...[b/f ~= c/c] >> b/c > c/fI don't really wanna risk more than 1 bet on the river with this goofy a hand... and for his passive-ness I don't think he'll be raising with A-high on the end.If we check, I can see him checking better hands through... but if he bets, I think we need to call. Except... he won't bet many rivers with worse than a pair of 2's, right?Okay, screw check/call... I like bet/fold.

[amarillotg]

i've never played 6 max so maybe i shouldn't comment on 6 max hands. :oops: villain seems the epitomy of loose passive. i can't see any value in anything else besides check/fold or a possible check/call if he's shown tendency to bluff on the end.

[screech]

Villian has weird stats. He is passive, but he's not to be trusted. If I check, I have to call. Since he's passive, since the pot isn't big, and since I have a weak hand, I won't lose any sleep if I bet/fold here. Because he's passive, and because you frequently get called down with A high and K high hands HU on non-threatening boards, I can expect to get called from a few weaker hands. While I may not win over 50% of the time when I bet, it still beats the check/calling because my opponent will call with more hands I beat than he will bet with, and I have to call if he bets anyway.Actually, the more I think of it, the more I don't think c/folding is that bad. It's actually close to c/calling, but I think c/calling has a slightly +ve expectation. IMO, b/f>>>c/c>c/f>>>b/c.

[pokerplayer24]

Vs a passive opponent I think its a bet/fold. Kind of a tough spot since all you have beat is overs and or a flush draw.Check/call is another option just with his stats it doesnt seem like hes going to be bluffing or betting A high to often.

[princeof56k]

I had to delete my previous post because I missed the flush draw.Does this guy fold to a lot of river bets? If so, I say bet (and I might still bet regardless). Someone with trips would have bet by now. And dont let a flush draw who caught a 6 or 3 check behind you for cheap.

[zimmer4141]

I'm also on the bet/fold train. The only thing he's raising with is if he flopped trips and is slowplaying. Bet for value, but don't be surprised to get beat by a 6 or a 3.

[Sysvr4]

I routinely check/call in this spot. No worse hand is calling, but he may bluff with a missed draw. Give him that opportunity.Jeff

[princeof56k]

Sysvr4 said:

No worse hand is calling

I wonder how many time A high calls us down? Really depends on the villian I guess.

[MrNiceGuy]

I like bet/fold best by far over check/fold or check/call (which both suck, IMO). There's about 35 ways villain could have an UI flush draw, maybe 50 reasonable ways he could have a T, 30 ways he could have a medium-low pair, 7 ways he could have 22,33,66, and something like 400 ways he could have A-high or K-high.(Exception: if villain is likely to raise with A-high or K-high, then bet/call is best. But I doubt this is likely.)

[princeof56k]

MrNiceGuy said:

I like bet/fold best by far over check/fold or check/call (which both suck, IMO).

While I've been saying bet the river is the best option, I dont think check/call is that bad. I think its kind of close actually (for the reason Sysvr4 mention above).

[MrNiceGuy]

princeof56k said:

MrNiceGuy said:

I like bet/fold best by far over check/fold or check/call (which both suck, IMO).

While I've been saying bet the river is the best option, I dont think check/call is that bad. I think its kind of close actually (for the reason Sysvr4 mention above).

It makes little sense for villain to have called down with anything that we beat other than a worse 2 (which is unlikely for him to limp with), a flush draw, or A-high or K-high. If villain only bets K-high and worse busted flush draws here, that's 28 hands. If he always calls a bet or checks behind with A-high, that's about 200 hands.So if that's the case bet/fold is about 7 times better than check/call. (If he would call down and check behind with any K-high as well, then it's about 20 times better.)If villain raised 20% of the time with A-high, and called the rest of the time, then check/call would be better than bet/fold, but then bet/call would actually be the best line (hell, then we could start talking about 3-betting).The only way check/call is better than betting is if villain would rarely be calling from the flop on with A-high here, or if he's folding A-high UI on the river. But lots of loose-passive players will always call down with A-high on a paired board in a heads up pot.Heck, earlier today I say a guy at 5/10 6-max check/raise a 44KTT board heads up on the river with A-high (after he c/c'd flop and turn against a preflop raiser)..... and he called a 3-bet!

[princeof56k]

MrNiceGuy said:

 If villain only bets K-high and worse busted flush draws here, that's 28 hands.  If he always calls a bet or checks behind with A-high, that's about 200 hands.

How are you getting 200? Are you counting all Ax combos?

[MrNiceGuy]

[quote name='"princeof56k"][quote=MrNiceGuy][quote=princeof56k] If villain only bets K-high and worse busted flush draws here' date=' that's 28 hands. If he always calls a bet or checks behind with A-high, that's about 200 hands.[/quote']How are you getting 200? Are you counting all Ax combos?[/quote]Whoops, sorry, I overcounted. Should be 120, I think. Still enough to make betting considerably better than c/cing, though, IMO.

[princeof56k]

[quote name='"MrNiceGuy"][quote=princeof56k][quote=MrNiceGuy][quote=princeof56k] If villain only bets K-high and worse busted flush draws here' date=' that's 28 hands. If he always calls a bet or checks behind with A-high, that's about 200 hands.[/quote']How are you getting 200? Are you counting all Ax combos?[/quote]Whoops, sorry, I overcounted. Should be 120, I think. Still enough to make betting considerably better than c/cing, though, IMO.[/quote]I still want to know what your counting though. Are you counting stuff like A 4 ?

[MrNiceGuy]

[quote="princeof56k"][quote=MrNiceGuy][quote=princeof56k][quote=MrNiceGuy][quote=princeof56k] If villain only bets K-high and worse busted flush draws here, that's 28 hands. If he always calls a bet or checks behind with A-high, that's about 200 hands.[/quote]How are you getting 200? Are you counting all Ax combos?[/quote]Whoops, sorry, I overcounted. Should be 120, I think. Still enough to make betting considerably better than c/cing, though, IMO.[/quote]I still want to know what your counting though. Are you counting stuff like A 4 ?[/quote]Yup - any two that make A-high at this point. I don't think I'll be that far off to assume that a 48/4 guy will limp with any A-x. (granted, he might raise with AK or even AQ).

[Briguy]

Bet/fold, but not for value. You have the worst pair possible, but you could fold out a better bad hand (6, 3, mid pockets). Does this villian call with A-high? Maybe it is for value.