oesd in a big pot

[bdams19 0]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with T:diamond:, K:heart:. UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (5 SB) 7:diamond:, J:heart:, Q:spade: (5 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls, CO calls.Turn: (8.50 BB) 6:diamond: (4 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, CO calls.Final Pot: 24.50 BBToo loose? Standard?

[Shimmering Wang 1]

With 4 players in the pot, there's nothing that can reasonably happen on the turn to blast you off this hand

[Abbaddabba 0]

I think that if the board pairs and it's 3 bets back to you, you're going to be folding there.But given that turn, you're generally drawing to 8 clean outs; 6 at worst - in a 4 way pot.There's not much you can do but call.If you make your draw and it isnt a diamond, you're getting as many as 8 more bets on the river too. If it is a diamond, probably only 3 or 4 bets more even if your hand is good. Plus the pot is really big before hand.

[bdams19 0]

I thought this was pretty standard, so I figured I would post. I'm not supposed to reveal results, but the river was the Ah. What is your line from here? In a pot with this many people, I checked, and sure enough got a bet and raised it. Should I bet out the river when I hit?

[Limit Player 0]

Since button was doing all the raising, I'd bet out and hope CO calls and button raises so we can three bet it. If you check and it goes to the button and then you raise, I think you're losing all bets except for the button's call. Might get more big bets at the end if you lead out.Anyone else?

[Sysvr4 0]

Wouldn't standard include capping this flop? We have a ton of equity here with 4 players in.I think the turn is standard as you're getting 3-1 immediate on every bet on just the turn, not considering the 8.5BB already in the pot. Jeff

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Just out of curiosity...What's a ballpark figure for our probable equity vs. a set?

[hotbacon 0]

I'm capping this flop. You have 2 certain callers and 3 probable callers here I think.

[bdams19 0]

I agree with capping the flop, I didnt want the CO to fold to two cold, I knew utg would call.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Just out of curiosity...What's a ballpark figure for our probable equity vs. a set?

We're about 25% if someone has a set.

[Briguy 0]

I'd bet out on the river. I want to trap UTG for an extra bet, and I'm hoping that either CO or Button are poor enough hand-readers or just don't believe me often enough to raise behind.Nice pot.

[Rocketwadster 0]

I don't like all that action on the turn. You are down to 6 clean outs, and had to call 2 cold, but when you did, you did not know if the action would be closd or not (which it ended up not being), so the turn cost you 4 big bets. I don't like those spots, so I may have folded to the 2-cold (not sure you had the odds) there the first time it came to you (not the second though, as I am pretty sure you had the pot odds). :?

[rog 0]

I don't like all that action on the turn. You are down to 6 clean outs, and had to call 2 cold, but when you did, you did not know if the action would be closd or not (which it ended up not being), so the turn cost you 4 big bets. I don't like those spots, so I may have folded to the 2-cold (not sure you had the odds) there the first time it came to you (not the second though, as I am pretty sure you had the pot odds). :?

You're getting over 5:1 even paying 4 BB on the turn. If UTG folds to turn action, it's close, but you can probably make it up on implied odds. I dont see a fold on this turn.

[Rocketwadster 0]

I don't like all that action on the turn. You are down to 6 clean outs, and had to call 2 cold, but when you did, you did not know if the action would be closd or not (which it ended up not being), so the turn cost you 4 big bets. I don't like those spots, so I may have folded to the 2-cold (not sure you had the odds) there the first time it came to you (not the second though, as I am pretty sure you had the pot odds). :?

You're getting over 5:1 even paying 4 BB on the turn. If UTG folds to turn action, it's close, but you can probably make it up on implied odds. I dont see a fold on this turn.

Are we getting 5 to 1 the first time it came to us when we called 2 cold? I don't feel like going back and checking it, but still, with 5 to 1 and only 6 pure outs, do we have the odds?

[rog 0]

it's 5:1 if we expect it capped 4 ways. It's better than that if we expect it to stay at 2 cold. It's better than 5:1 if we get two folds on our left. The only way it's worse than 5:1 is if UTG folds and we end up being capped 3-handed.

[amarillotg 0]

You are down to 6 clean outs

6 pure outs to the nuts yes but i think the way the action has developed i don't really see a bdfd being a reasonable threat.i think its pretty safe to count the full 8 outs.

[Rocketwadster 0]

You are down to 6 clean outs

6 pure outs to the nuts yes but i think the way the action has developed i don't really see a bdfd being a reasonable threat.i think its pretty safe to count the full 8 outs.

ace king of diamonds, ace queen of diamonds, ace jack of diamonds, king queen of diamonds, king jack of diamonds, queen jack of diamonds, etc. on a 6-max table, I could see all of those hands, plus I am sure many others, that could play here...

[screech 0]

You are down to 6 clean outs

6 pure outs to the nuts yes but i think the way the action has developed i don't really see a bdfd being a reasonable threat.i think its pretty safe to count the full 8 outs.

ace king of diamonds, ace queen of diamonds, ace jack of diamonds, king queen of diamonds, king jack of diamonds, queen jack of diamonds, etc. on a 6-max table, I could see all of those hands, plus I am sure many others, that could play here...

Yep. I could play all those at a full table too. Name the many others that play this way with a bd flush draw. There aren't many. Now name all the possible holdings that don't contain a bd flush draw, that play this way. It's a lot more.To discount to 6 outs is silly. As is counting 8 full outs. I would estimate somewhere around 7.5 outs to include splitting hands.

[amarillotg 0]

You are down to 6 clean outs

6 pure outs to the nuts yes but i think the way the action has developed i don't really see a bdfd being a reasonable threat.i think its pretty safe to count the full 8 outs.

ace king of diamonds, ace queen of diamonds, ace jack of diamonds, king queen of diamonds, king jack of diamonds, queen jack of diamonds, etc. on a 6-max table, I could see all of those hands, plus I am sure many others, that could play here...

you think all these hands limped pre-flop at 6 max?

[Rocketwadster 0]

You are down to 6 clean outs

6 pure outs to the nuts yes but i think the way the action has developed i don't really see a bdfd being a reasonable threat.i think its pretty safe to count the full 8 outs.

ace king of diamonds, ace queen of diamonds, ace jack of diamonds, king queen of diamonds, king jack of diamonds, queen jack of diamonds, etc. on a 6-max table, I could see all of those hands, plus I am sure many others, that could play here...

you think all these hands limped pre-flop at 6 max?

No, forgot that they all limped. I would discount the ace hands above, but the rest I would say could have. The point I was trying to make is that we shouldn't discount a backdoor flush hand, hence my thoughts that we have only 6 outs that we can count on, so I was unsure if calling 2 cold the first time it came to us was correct or not. :?