couple hands i would like reviewed

[acesfullmike 0]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [5d], [Kd]. UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (5 SB) [Kc], [3h], [9c] (5 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.Turn: (4.50 BB) [5c] (2 players)Hero bets, MP3 calls.River: (6.50 BB) [4c] (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 checks.Final Pot: 6.50 BBParty Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP3 with [9c], [9h]. UTG calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (5 SB) [Td], [4c], [Th] (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.Turn: (4.50 BB) [3d] (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.River: (6.50 BB) [3s] (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.Final Pot: 8.50 BB The only reason I bet on the end was to hopefully get called by an ace looking to split the pot. believe it or not, this guys preflop raise percentage over the 52 hands i played against him was 28.13%

[bascomeb 0]

edit out the results first

[econ_tim 0]

hand 2 looks finehand 1 there is still value in betting the river vs. most players

[Rasty 0]

Forgive me my poker strat ignorance, which knows no bounds . . . In hand #2, why isn't 99 in MP3 with 2 limpers a raise pre-flop?1010 in the same situation is, right? Would it be a raise one position later?

[Rasty 0]

Double-posted.

[acesfullmike 0]

Tim, could you expand on your reasoning for betting the river of hand one please. If he raises me, I pretty much have to dump my hand, so I figured a c/c would be better to keep him honest than a bet/fold line, but i always like your thought pattern.

[WonderfulSplash 0]

Tim, could you expand on your reasoning for betting the river of hand one please. If he raises me, I pretty much have to dump my hand, so I figured a c/c would be better to keep him honest than a bet/fold line, but i always like your thought pattern.

Villian will almost never raise without having you beat, he will often call with a bare king, and you *might* occasionally fold a small club.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

In hand 1, IMO, bet/call is usually better than check/call, except against extremely weak-tight opponents, or against people who will habitually bluff a scary board when checked to (but not bluff-raise). Bet/fold is often better than bet/call, but that depends on whether villain is capable of bluff-raising.Villain probably has a K. I'd guess that he has a club in his hand less than 1/3 of the time (his flop bet suggests either a K (or 9 or pocket pair) or a flush draw, and his turn call suggests that he doesn't have a flush at that point). And if he does have a medium club, he'll probably bet if checked to, but probably won't raise. A raise here usually would indicate either a stone bluff or the A or Q of clubs.

[Abbaddabba 0]

hand 2 looks fine hand 1 there is still value in betting the river vs. most players

I dont think so.I think that you probably get folds from small clubs or hands that have you beat about as often as you get raised on the river as a bluff (without reads).So the issue of losing the pot with a winner and winning a pot with a loser roughly cancel each other out.He is ahead more than half of the time i feel. A random set of two hole cards is a bit more than 40% given that board and your hole cards (if im not mistaken). His hand isnt random, however. He's far more likely to call the turn with a hand that includes a club than one that does not. There are also hands that have you beat that dont include clubs that call.By check/calling, you pick up bluffs that wouldnt call, and occasionally get very thin value bets from hands that would.For the first hand,I like value betting the river because ace high calls when the board is double paired the vast majority of the time to one bet on the river. It's as if people get some last glimmer of hope that the second pair counterfeited the villains pair. (which in this case, could only be deuces). Plus there're fewer cards in the deck that potentially beat them. *shrug*Maybe that's not how it works at 5/10, but i think that you get tons of calls from worse hands and you're ahead the vast majority of the time.

[econ_tim 0]

In hand #2, why isn't 99 in MP3 with 2 limpers a raise pre-flop?

I overlooked that. I raise it preflop, although limping isn't horrible.

[acesfullmike 0]

i had the results up earlier and took them off. but it turns out that hand one villain turns over K-9, so i was basically drawing dead after the flop. Damn passive players have me donking my chips off, lol. hand two the villain turns over pocket cowboys. once again, i lost the minimum-ish which is just fine by me. On a side note, mp3 with the pocket nines, i can see the value in raising right then. But, if my limp gets the button or CO to raise, which then gets the BB or SB to call, (assuming all the other limpers call the raise), i can re-raise and basically play this hand for set value only, obviously other flops are fine, but with that many to the flop, i know i am going to have to show a good hand.on the other hand, lets say i do flop my nine on a rainbow non-drawing board but K high and it gets checked to me. i bet, the CO or button raises which freezes out the rest of the field. bad for me since i lost bets, but i may be able to check raise the turn and hopefully get three bet. wow, i think i have made a new advancement in my own thinking. thanks for the input all.