2 questionable plays...need constructive criticism

[JVick4 0]

Here are two plays that both happened to me last night, in which I lost the 2 biggest pots of the night. The first one, I think I could have cut my losses because I might have played it poorly. The second one, I just pretty sure that I just had bad luck. Both hands happened against the same guy.Hand #1 - We are playing 1-2 NL and we are four handed I am in the big blind with Q 9 , it is called to me and we take a flop. The small blind a really solid tricky player only has about $16 left from his initial blind, and the undergun player has about 40 or 45 and I have about 75. The undergun player I play with all of the time and is the type that is very loose when he is up and very tight when he is down. The flop comes 6 8 10 . The small blind leads out with 8 and i smooth call, as does the guy under the gun. The turn is the beautiful 7 . The small blind bets 8 and he is all in. I think for a minutem trying to induce a call behind me and finally reluctantly call. The under the gun player raises. It is back on me, so i think for a couple of seconds and finally say all-in for two reasons. First, I did not think he had the nuts J9. At best I thought he had the 10 high straight like me, but since I had the club draw also, I figured I might be on a free roll the rest of the hand for half the pot and if a club comes i take it all down. Secondly, he is the type of player that would make this same move with a set or top two pair, no matter how scary the board is. If he has that I definatly dont want him to see the river cheaply. He thought for about 5-7 seconds and called. Because it took him so long I thought for sure I had half the pot in the bag. He turns over J9 and a lonely 4 comes on the river and lose a monster pot. By the way the small blind flopped top two pair. I guess I might have could have cold called the raise on the turn and see what the river brought. Might have played the hand too aggressively. Hand #2 - I am in the big blind and again, we are still four handed. I look down to see K Q . The undergun player, the same guy from the hand before with J9, raises and makes it 8 to go. Everybody folds to me and I just call. The flop comes K K 5 . I check he bets 8, and I call. The turn is a 4 . I check again because I know that he is going to bet it, and at this point in the hand I am sure that he has K9, K10, or KJ, all of those in which I have dominated. He will almost always raise no matter where he is with those hands. And if he has AK, he has AK. He bets 12 now, and I think and end up raising him about 30 more and I am all in. He thinks for about 30 seconds. Because he is taking soo long, I think he may have JJ or 10s or something like that because with any of those other hands it would be an insta-call. He finally calls and flips over K10 to my KQ. He can hit a 4 or 5 for a chop or a 10 to win it. And what do you know and 10 comes on the river. Anything that I could have done differently? By the way my link to my blog is very old. All critiques are welcome...

[aces ride 0]

you called 8 on a gutshot-dumbdude hit a 3 outerhappens

[PimpRock 0]

you called 8 on a gutshot-dumbdude hit a 3 outerhappens

Before you give such poor advice make sure you know the difference between a gutshot and a double belly buster.

[aces ride 0]

you people are all terrible at poker. Thank you for paying my rent.

[rbakken2504 0]

I agree, there are certain spots where it is ok to chase a double gutshot for the right price, but this is spot is questionable, you don't know if your Q is an out, and you aren't sure if any players are going to come in behind you. So altho you're play was ok, i'd probably make the fold here, I believe there is more EV in folding here then calling.Situation #2 nothing you could do there, didn't play it the way I would, but you still got max value out of the hand and then got outdrawn, thats poker...

[Pokerghost2 0]

you called 8 on a gutshot-dumbdude hit a 3 outerhappens

thats not a gutshot slick. OP the second hand was gonna play itself out regardless given how few chips u guys play with. i wouldve raised the flop there playing that short on chips.

[PimpRock 0]

you people are all terrible at poker. Thank you for paying my rent.

:roll:

[JVick4 0]

Hand #1 - I was gonna call the flop and see if I got any help on the turn. I thought I could hit a Q, J, or 7. 10 outs twice, I could have made worse calls...lolHand #2 - Hbakken, how would you have played it differently.P.S. - it was .5 - 1 NL, not 1-2 my mistake from another game...

[rbakken2504 0]

Hand #1 - I was gonna call the flop and see if I got any help on the turn. I thought I could hit a Q, J, or 7. 10 outs twice, I could have made worse calls...lolHand #2 - Hbakken, how would you have played it differently.P.S. - it was .5 - 1 NL, not 1-2 my mistake from another game...

OK, if this was .5-1 NL then a call in situation #1 isn't questionable its wrong, then you weren't getting a close price to try and draw out. Situation #2 I would've pushed the issue on the flop, especially short-stacked, I'm not saying the way you played the hand was bad, I try to play every situation differently to keep from giving away to much info to my regular opponents, I was just saying in general, I would normally pop the flop, to protect my hand against any pair catching a lucky full house. You played this particular hand well tho, you got all the money in with your opponent drawing slim.

[Canada 0]

you called 8 on a gutshot-dumb

:doh: just what does your foot taste like?

[JVick4 0]

Even though the bettor was severely short-stacked and understanding I would not have to face a big bet on the turn, still no call?P.S. - i just talked to my friend and he said the bet on that flop was only $5 and he only had $6 left after that. I was confusing playing online and live last night, sorry again for the typo...

[Pokerghost2 0]

Even though the bettor was severely short-stacked and understanding I would not have to face a big bet on the turn, still no call?P.S. - i just talked to my friend and he said the bet on that flop was only $5 and he only had $6 left after that. I was confusing playing online and live last night, sorry again for the typo...

that reduces ur implied odds even more. u would like to play that hand when it can double u up.

[macphec 0]

I'm guessing Aces Ride is still looking up the difference between a gut shot and the double belly? lolI'll save you some time dude, the diff is 4 outsYou must live in one crappy azz apartment

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

you called 8 on a gutshot-dumbdude hit a 3 outerhappens

1. Nice avatar. My favorite's Arsenic. You should try it.2. It's not a gutshot, 'tard. It's a double gut shot; equivalent to an open ender.3. Most people who say things like "Thanks for paying my rent," are losing players. Trust me, I used to be one.4. Don't ever post in this forum again.5. Don't ever post on this site again.6. Go away.Hand 1; It happens. I play it the same.Hand 2; Same thing.

[Pokerdad2222 0]

Hand #1 - I was gonna call the flop and see if I got any help on the turn. I thought I could hit a Q, J, or 7. 10 outs twice, I could have made worse calls...lolHand #2 - Hbakken, how would you have played it differently.P.S. - it was .5 - 1 NL, not 1-2 my mistake from another game...

OK, if this was .5-1 NL then a call in situation #1 isn't questionable its wrong, then you weren't getting a close price to try and draw out. Situation #2 I would've pushed the issue on the flop, especially short-stacked, I'm not saying the way you played the hand was bad, I try to play every situation differently to keep from giving away to much info to my regular opponents, I was just saying in general, I would normally pop the flop, to protect my hand against any pair catching a lucky full house. You played this particular hand well tho, you got all the money in with your opponent drawing slim.

Rbakken, I was wondering why you are trying to protect your hand against someone drawing to two outs in the second situation. I dont disagree wit maybe bettiing out here to coneal you hand but I dont really think you are betting to deter someone from hitting a full free house. I agree that slowplaying to much can bite you in the end I was just curious about the protecting part.

[rbakken2504 0]

Hand #1 - I was gonna call the flop and see if I got any help on the turn. I thought I could hit a Q, J, or 7. 10 outs twice, I could have made worse calls...lolHand #2 - Hbakken, how would you have played it differently.P.S. - it was .5 - 1 NL, not 1-2 my mistake from another game...

OK, if this was .5-1 NL then a call in situation #1 isn't questionable its wrong, then you weren't getting a close price to try and draw out. Situation #2 I would've pushed the issue on the flop, especially short-stacked, I'm not saying the way you played the hand was bad, I try to play every situation differently to keep from giving away to much info to my regular opponents, I was just saying in general, I would normally pop the flop, to protect my hand against any pair catching a lucky full house. You played this particular hand well tho, you got all the money in with your opponent drawing slim.

Rbakken, I was wondering why you are trying to protect your hand against someone drawing to two outs in the second situation. I dont disagree wit maybe bettiing out here to coneal you hand but I dont really think you are betting to deter someone from hitting a full free house. I agree that slowplaying to much can bite you in the end I was just curious about the protecting part.

I just think slowplaying is expected of big hand, so now it is more tricky to play hands fast, even if I have someone drawing slim, I still prefer too protect my hand, thats jus me, I don't like getting outdrawn, lol.