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[NormanHaupt]

Whats the general rule here? From EP? If its checked around to you? If someone bets into it before you?

[Vade]

I'm betting if it's checked to me, and calling a bet (but not a raise) with that hand.I've got to assume I've got 10 live outs (3 As, 3Ks, 4 10s)Granted, someone's probably compromised an out or two, but If i raised before the flop, I've got to bet this flop.

[wrto4556]

Assuming you have A K and raise three limpers from mp3.Flop is J T 4 If everyone checks to you it's an automatic bet. You have fold equity with about 7 outs. Overcards only count for .5 a piece--4 Qs, 1.5 As, and 1.5 Ks.The fold equity combined with your outs is an auto-bet. If everyone calls and the turn is a blank, check and see the river for free...another added benifit of betting the flop.If you are bet into, it matters from where. If the guy to you immidiate right bets into you, I like to raise, it will knock out the other limpers and get you head up alot of times, improving you win %. Pluse, if you miss your draw on the turn, you can check and get a free card. If an early player bets and everyone calls, you have to play it by outs. If the pot is laying you 6-1 or better you can call. 47/7=7-1. 6-1 against.Now, let's say the first person in bets and everyone calls, you are putting in 25% of the money with a 30% chance of winning. You can raise on the flop for value. But if you have less than 3 opponents, the raise on the flop is no longer for value....BTW, this is only for the flop. If you have any problems with pot equity, just ask.PS. If you pull the free card play and all your cards missed, don't call a bet with A-high.

[Smasharoo]

If an early player bets and everyone calls, you have to play it by outs. If the pot is laying you 6-1 or better you can call. 47/7=7-1. 6-1 against. 10 outs.Gutshot to the nut straight.

[wrto4556]

7 outs. KJ and and AJ have you reverse dominated. Im counting overcards as .5 outs. Why would you count them as full outs?

[NormanHaupt]

whew so I've been playing right by being aggressive from EP and seeing where I stand. Usually, if I'm reraised I drop. If its checked to me, yeah I always bet and drive more out. Especially at the turn.

[Smasharoo]

7 outs?How are you getting to 6 to 1 then?

[Absolute]

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If everyone checks to you it's an automatic bet. You have fold equity with about 7 outs. Overcards only count for .5 a piece--4 Qs, 1.5 As, and 1.5 Ks.

I think you have to loosen the screws a little here.With a rag-10-J flop, and AK in the hole, you have to consider any ace or king a full live out.If you have AK and the flop comes 8-J-Q, do you consider the last three aces as 1.5 because of A-J?

[wrto4556]

Absolute said:

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If everyone checks to you it's an automatic bet. You have fold equity with about 7 outs. Overcards only count for .5 a piece--4 Qs, 1.5 As, and 1.5 Ks.

I think you have to loosen the screws a little here.With a rag-10-J flop, and AK in the hole, you have to consider any ace or king a full live out.If you have AK and the flop comes 8-J-Q, do you consider the last three aces as 1.5 because of A-J?

Yes. Small stakes hold'em people hang around with just about anything. AT, if your K hits you lose to a straight. AJ, KJ, KQ, QJ, and AQ all have you dominated.7 outs. 47/7=7. 7-1=6. So, you're a 6-1 dog to hit on the turn.5.7-to-1 to be exact.

[JFarrell20]

I don't like this flop at all. I don't want to hit a pair b/c that could make someone elses straight, so really, all I want to see is a queen. This flop sucks, and I play it such.