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#1 gamefaceII

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 09:36 PM

I'm heads up as the final 3 at the table. I'm dealt Jc 10c. He's dealt Qc 6h. Dealer folds and I call the big blind, he checks. Flop: Kc 9c Ks. He bets $2, I call with two draws. Turn: 9s, I bet $5 on a semi-bluff with a draw, he calls. River: 8h. He bets $2 trying to buy pot, I raise $10 and all in to carry-out the bluff. He sits there and decides to call. He wins with Q over J kicker. Was it just dumb for him to call or did I not play a bluff at the right time there? Thanks for the pointers!

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 04:44 AM

Hard to say.... He may have picked up something on you to indicate that you didn't have the best hand. Maybe your previous betting tendencies *shrug* but he may have also not figured you for and ace which would give him the high hand if you didn't have a K or a 9.... obviously he didn't feel you had either of those.Personally if I were him I wouldn't have called the $5 bet in the first place, but as I mentioned he may have had a read on you of some sort.

#3 holman3rd

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 05:56 AM

I like your bluff attempt on the turn, but not your raise on the river. My read would have been that he held a 9, hence the flop bet of $2. When another 9 fell, he checked because he feared you had a king (and therefore a better fullhouse). He went into check/call mode when you bet $5, in case you did not have the K. What’s strange is that he bets INTO you on the river. At that point, I don’t like your raise b/c you’re only getting called if your beat, mostly likely by a K or 9.Yes, he did play it “wrong”, but you could have saved yourself some $$ here, imo. My read would have been wrong, but it would have cost me a lot less. By the way, next time try not to post the results..it makes for a more meaningful discussion when we don’t know the outcome or what cards opponents had.

#4 gamefaceII

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 06:28 AM

ok holman3rd, i'm brand new on this site and i have thouroughly enjoyed reading the tips and stories on here. i will make note to leave out my opponents hands

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 06:32 AM

gamefaceII said:

ok holman3rd, i'm brand new on this site and i have thouroughly enjoyed reading the tips and stories on here.  i will make note to leave out my opponents hands
Great. Btw..I hope you didn't take that comment the wrong way. It was just a friendly suggestion. Sometimes, when you post the results in your original message, you get responses that are results-based. Sometimes, people aren't even aware that knowing the results biases their answer, but it can.I expect to see some responses from folks who say they would have read this player as having nothing. Is it possible in a live game? Sure, but not with the info you provided, imo.

#6 gamefaceII

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 08:11 AM

no offense taken at all, i did forget to mention that he had said that after my raise on the river that he was watching me and didn't want to call. he did say that i looked very confident and he was nervous. but again, pkt 10's, J's, or Q's beat him, or an ace. I had many outs if you consider pockets, but i wasn't able to bluff pockets with 2 kings on the flop. no one could believe that he called either, but you win some and lose some, either way, i feel you gotta bluff sometimes and i just picked the wrong kicker to bluff against

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 08:12 AM

Well it appears that you read him correctly in assessing that he did not have the K or 9 to give him a full house. And with this information, your bluff attempt has some merit.The fact that he called your all-in with Queen high is peculiar. And it leads me to think that he must have been very sure that you had absolutely nothing.And this is where the tricky part comes in. No matter how well timed your bluffs are, and no matter how well you have represented a stronger hand, if you have a tell, your bluffs will get knocked down every time. My conclusion is that you did not necessarily play this hand badly. If your opponent had nothing and you were betting out, and if everything else in the play of the hand was equal, he should have predicted that you had his Queen-high beat.However, something in your play must not have been equal. Something that you did must have tipped him off that you were on an even bigger bluff than he was. And this is the point that you may need to work on.When your opponents are familiar with you, bluffing successfully can be a very challenging task. Take a step back and think about your tendencies in the game. What kind of reputation have you developed in your opponents' eyes? Do you bluff often? Do you go all-in whenever you bluff? Do you push your chips into the pot differently when you are weak?Your opponent must have noticed a tell in your betting style. Now it is up to you to find out what that tell is.--cnm




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