Chief 0 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Blinds(10/15) Seat 10 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10 Seat 1: Villain ( $915 ) Seat 2: ( $835 )Seat 3: ( $1030 ) Seat 4: Hero ( $930 ) Seat 5: ? ( $975 )Seat 6: ? ( $1850 )Seat 7: ? ( $1090 )Seat 8: ? ( $995 )Seat 9: ? ( $475 )Seat 10: ? ( $905 )Blinds(10/15)** Dealing down cards **1 fold Hero raises [60] with QQ. 6 folds Villain is all-In [905] 1 foldYou've never played with anyone at this table before.Your move? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zach6668 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Are you sure that wasn't really a $5 tourney?All jokes aside, it depends. I don't play the 100's, but there are two ways to look at his play.Either he is a complete donkey and trying to buy it with any two, or two face cards, etc, like in the $5s, OR, he is smart enough to do this with AA/KK knowing that you will read it for a donk move and call.With no reads, I fold. I know I will have another chance to double up soon enough, and I know that I can outplay these guys (I tell myself), so I wait for a better spot.In reality, I call and lose to 55 with a two outer on the river.Zach Link to post Share on other sites
pckt10s 0 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 he's probably counting on you to fold, so I would call and hope not to get unlucky and get beat by something like two pair. Link to post Share on other sites
Nightwolf 0 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 he's probably counting on you to fold, so I would call and hope not to get unlucky and get beat by something like two pair.He doesn't want him to fold, he's hoping for a coin flip for a quick double up. Someone making that play usually has AK or a medium pocket pair. I'd call it. Link to post Share on other sites
macphec 0 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hero takes the entire time bank to think and finally mucks following his own advice.The key here is that a double up during the small blinds periods does not matter all that much. You still have a deep stack and can find a better edge soon. You are most likely racing if you call vs AK Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I don't play 200, but I would like to think that this is AA KK at this level more than AK. probably best case is QQ. Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hero takes the entire time bank to think and finally mucks following his own advice.The key here is that a double up during the small blinds periods does not matter all that much. You still have a deep stack and can find a better edge soon. You are most likely racing if you call vs AKi used my timebank and mucked, he showed kings :-) really weird move nonetheless Link to post Share on other sites
telescop 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I would say way too early to call, and I agree it seems like a weird play but if I get AA or KK in the 1st hand of a sng I will go all in. Usually get a suspicious caller, great way to double up, and if you get no callers, you still won the blinds and have a lot of time to work with! Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Fold.His play with less than a monster is horrible since he will only get called by better hands, Whoever calls him is taking a big risk and can still lose even with QQ.His play with a monster is bad, unless he gets someone to call. Don't turn his bad play into a good one. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I'm on the fence on this one. It's obviously a Party $200 Sng, so you need to get chips early or you will be all in every hand in 2 rounds. I think I have to call given some of the plays I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites
shpaget 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hero takes the entire time bank to think and finally mucks following his own advice.The key here is that a double up during the small blinds periods does not matter all that much. You still have a deep stack and can find a better edge soon. You are most likely racing if you call vs AKFrankly, if I KNOW he has AK, I call.But in reality, I don't know that and I have to suspect AA or KK and I'll fold.If he's bluffing...good for him...he'll do it again. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 I had a similar thing happen the other night in a $20 SNG on UB. About 10 hands in I open UTG for $70 (10/20 blinds) with QQ, UTG+1 calls, next guy goes all in for $950. He had just lost a hand on the river. I suspected he had 10's or J's and I pushed all-in and the UTG+1 folded. The guy had 68s and hit a gutshot on the river.One never knows what these guys are playing. He typed that he thought he could get me to fold a good Ace. Quite frankly I would have folded anything but QQ, KK and AA and I might have folded QQ except for the beat he just took.Accumulating chips is important, but early on survival is important as well. I do not think a call or a fold could be criticized here. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Similar to the example in HOH1, except in Harrington's example, you are the aggressor, pushing your stack into the field with QQ instead of calling. Harrington reasons that you will only be called by AA, KK, or AK, but I don't think we can limit the villain's range in this hand to only those holdings. But even if you think he'd make this play with JJ and TT, it obviously becomes a coinflip. You'd need to include the middle pairs and some weaker aces into his range to be a significant favorite. Link to post Share on other sites
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