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[Awful]

He's an idiot. Side pot's bigger than the main pot... even a stone bluff there is OK if you think it'll work; in fact, I'd definitely bluff that if I knew the opponent's thoughts on play with someone all-in :twisted: . Top 2 is close enough to a lock over the set of all-in hands that you betting doesn't hurt the whiner, though as stated, it doesn't matter. You can bluff there, you can do whatever. That said, it still doesn't matter. Look out for #1. With a dry side pot and both players holding marginal hands is the only case that betting/raising is frowned upon. However, poker is always looking out for #1. I'd even bluff that side pot a large % of the time, since scooping the side insulates me against losing the main pot, and if my chip count goes up and bubble play/3rd-2nd battling continues, I exercise a greater edge over the second stack and increase my liklihood of 1st by keeping around the third guy. Who cares who finishes 2nd? He's just offended that you aren't "playing nice" but pushing edges like a good player.I, for one, love opponents being authoritative by absolutely MANGLING the concepts they cite. Gives me a laugh.

[KDawgCometh]

honestly you probably could've gotten more out of him on the end, I think that he would've called a really big bet there

[KramitDaToad]

You definately did the right thing. Don't listen to the moron. Take his chips and flip him the bird (I'm saying that cause its online of course!)Daniel wrote a good article for CP about betting into dry pots...http://www.cardplaye...d=13135&m_id=54Whilst there is nothing in there that matches your situation exactly, it's pretty easy to infer that he would agree too...

[Wilderness]

xafofo said:

well i dont have any doubt that i was right in betting.  i was just tryin to get a guage of how good a hand it would take in this situation for it to be "correct" to bet.  what if i had AT?  what if i had bottom 2 pair?

Something like A10 I would check down, because the all-in could easily have you dominated. If I had bottom 2 pair I'd probably bet because its likely good short-handed. It just depends on how good you think your hand is. If you had A9 and flopped a pair of 9's, I'd check that down even though you have TPTK because its vulnerable and so it would be better to have the 2nd guy still there in case the all-in hits something better than your 9's. But flopping TPTK with your AK, I'd have certainly bet out, and anything better than that (2 pair, even bottom 2 pair), I'd be betting as well.

[Scruff]

number 5 from that article nails it pretty well:5. You are the chip leader with 28 players left in a limit hold’em tournament that pays 27 places. The blinds are $500-$1,000. A short stack goes all in for $2,000, another player calls, you call with the A J from the button, and the big blind calls. The flop comes 9 6 5. Both players check to you. What should you do?A. Check to try to help eliminate the all-in player.B. Bet and hope to get heads up with the all-in player.*********5. B, bet. Now, this is the bet for which people often get yelled at, and those “know-it-alls” doing the criticizing are usually dead wrong. Sure, they want to eliminate the player and squeak into the money, but you are the chip leader! There’s no sense in you worrying about “squeaking” into the money. In fact, in some cases you might be better off rooting for the all-in player to survive! If all the other players at your table are playing ultraconservatively, waiting for others to go broke, there is no telling how many free chips will be out there for the taking.

[NegroPls]

I can't think of a single reasonable explanation for why you should ever check on the river if you feel you're beating your non-all-in opponent.